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AwareMonk , Official account of AwareMonk Oct, 17 2016

Prof. Dinesh Singh- Redefining Education: Enabling India


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=th2Wc83oJp0

This page will contain the live-stream of the public lecture "Redefining Education: Enabling India" by Prof. Dinesh SIngh, Former Vice-Chancellor Delhi University.

Time: 6 PM, 17th October, 2016

You can write your comments/ questions after clicking on "Discuss". Prof. Dinesh SIngh will be responding to selected queries and opinions.

(Edit: Skip to 23:30 in the video)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=th2Wc83oJp0This page will contain the live-stream of the public lecture "Redefining Education: Enabling India" by Prof. Dinesh SIngh, Former Vice-Chancellor Delhi University.Time: 6 PM, 17th October, 2016You can write your comments/ questions after clicking on "Discuss". Prof. Dinesh SIngh will be responding to selected queries and opinions. (Edit: Skip to 23:30 in the video)

Dinesh SIngh , Lifetime learner Oct, 18 2016


Hello!

I have logged in as a one time guest to help clear any misconceptions or issues that may catch the attention of viewers.

Perhaps this can be thought of a a sort of conclusion to the discussion that has happened here. But that does not mean all issues and points have been tackled.

I wish to acknowledge the interest, critical comments and appreciation of all who have participated in the discussion post my recent public lecture 'Redefining Education : Enabling India'. I cannot claim to have the ability or the wisdom to have answers. In fact far from it and this is not false humility.

I have read with great interest the discussion posted on AwareMonk. I am happy to participate in the discussion.

First, I wish to clarify that the B.Tech (Humanities): Design Your degree programme was intended to prove the point that we should not worry too much about the nomenclature of a degree. In fact as time goes by I feel even more strongly that we should not be obsessed with the business of granting or obtaining degrees. In today's world degrees are not too relevant. In fact were they ever relevant for those who believed in themselves? I am thinking of individuals like Kabir, Gandhi, Faraday, Mendel, Jesus Christ, Buddha, Ramanujan and so many other great ones who had no 'degree' from a university system. The B. Tech (Humanities) programme had a very unique structure. It allowed students to specialise in several ways. Out of the four years two years (not in continuity but during the four year period) were to be spent in undertaking mentored group based projects connected to the real world. These projects were to be very hands on and trans-disciplinary. Two years of credit would come from choosing-in association with your mentor-from the entire gamut of the UG courses of the entire DU under graduate system. Of course this was the philosophy; in practice some limitations do creep in but it had been working well. In fact when the senior government officials complained to the then minister Mr. Sibal, he supported me after hearing us all. I was also asked by him to address the entire Central Advisory Board of Education on it and I must say that after my address the CABE overwhelmingly congratulated me. The programme was allowed. It was shot down later by other hands.

Professor Hari Mohan, thank you for your kind words.

Bharti ji I am quite sure that the realities in the school system at the ground level are very different. But please do not give up. We must all-each one us-keep contributing to gradually bring about change for the better.

Feroz Khan ji, your query is addressed to Professor Hari Mohan, but kindly allow me to also put in my penny's worth as they say. I find it hard to blame students too much. If we do interesting things that are relevant and useful srudents do enjoy and participate eagerly.

Sudanshu ji, I shall be happy to share my thoughts on the Internet College in a few days. I am busy finalising them. Yes I agree with you that we need to be far more professional and alert in mentoring startups. Hence the College of Startups!

Aman Rawal ji, To some extent I agree that teachers lack passion sometimes! But the malaise is much deeper than just in the process of recruitment; but yes, we should think of better processes of recruitment.

Sakshi Sharma ji, Please read my comments above. Perhaps I did not make myself clear enough in the lecture.

Rohit Pande ji and Sudanshu ji, Please do not form impressions under misconception. I was allowed to take my reform ahead at that time with much support

Rohit ji, I totally agree that people need good and inexpensive health care and quality education leading to finding there true passion. That will lead to a satisfying life.

Ishita Nangia ji, Perhaps if you have read what I have said in the rather large para above then you may get my point on the business of nomenclature of degrees. Allow me to also add that a Ph. D. stands for Doctor of Philosophy. So what does a Ph.D have to do with Chemistry or Horticulture or Metallurgy? Just think about this and then perhaps a meaningful discussion may follow.

Malik ji, I agree with you that technology can serve the needs of education exceptionally well. But we will have to redefine education and we must change pedagogical practices.

Syed Raza ji, With the greatest of respect I wish to state that I was not glorifying the past. I was trying to show-in my lecture-that India was an enabled place in the past and the reason for that was to a large extent because we had a knowledge based economy. This lasted upto the 17th century. My point in the lecture was to make an enabled India-in the present-by creating the right education system which shall help create and feed a knowledge based economy.

Ashima Singh ji, I have not even once said that we should not recover from our problems. All through I have emphasised that we must be alert to the dangers and problems that exist (which I keep mentioning throughout). In fact I mentioned some of the reforms; they were designed to bring about the right changes. Nothing happens in an instant and no reform is perfect. But that cannot mean that therefore we should not bring about reform. We msut be open to change especially when we are all convinced that the education system is not delivering as much as it should.



Hello!I have logged in as a one time guest to help clear any misconceptions or issues that may catch the attention of viewers.Perhaps this can be thought of a a sort of conclusion to the discussion that has happened here. But that does not mean all issues and points have been tackled. I wish to ackn


Ishita Nangia , Not it. Oct, 18 2016



Dinesh SIngh Wow. Just wow. Sir I'm humbled to see you take out so much time and responding to each opinion in detail. Although it might seem trivial, but it's heartening and refreshing to see a personality such as yourself communicate with such humility and passion. Can't help but feel that DU is worse-off without you at the helm.

Here's hoping that you won't be a one-time guest. Direct discussions with people like you will keep the faith alive.

Dinesh SIngh Wow. Just wow. Sir I'm humbled to see you take out so much time and responding to each opinion in detail. Although it might seem trivial, but it's heartening and refreshing to see a personality such as yourself communicate with such humility and passion. Can't help but feel that DU is w


Hari Mohan , Teaching in D U for the last 43 years Oct, 18 2016


I could only here your speech. I was not aware of this program. Listening to you is always a treat. Haimohan sharma


Feroz Khan , Social change enthusiast Oct, 18 2016


Hari Mohan Sir, seeing that you've been teaching for 43 years in DU, what's your take on the current educational scenario in the University? Is it just got to do with the institutional issues or is there a lack of attitude in the students too?


Bharti Mishra , President's Award winner, Teacher for over 3 Oct, 17 2016


I heard your speech sir. I have been teaching in a govt school for past 20 years. Believe me the problems at the ground level are extremely different.

I have talked about it, at length in this discussion : "India would be more than half a century late for the global education commitment” reports UNESCO. What exactly went wrong? - AwareMonk These was one of my opinion:

"There is poor teacher allotment and over and above that there are many issues: 1.) The Headmaster, who is responsible for the quality of education, spends half of the time making sure there are enough vegetables and fruits in the kitchen for mid day meals. 2.) He is sent for 3 months on BLP duty by govt. and no one cares what will happen to the children left behind. 3.) During UP board exams, teachers are sent a month before the exams. And children from govt. schools appearing for boards are left with no teachers just before the exam. 4.) There is no standard of sanitation. Irrespective of the no. of students in the school there is just one toilet (each for girls and boys) and there is no allotment of a sweeper. Moreover, there is no toilet allotment for teachers too. 5.) There are two rooms and an open veranda, no gate for the school and a 2 ft high boundary wall in this temple of education.

Majority of our students in our country have to learn in such an environment. This is the ground reality.

I heard your speech sir. I have been teaching in a govt school for past 20 years. Believe me the problems at the ground level are extremely different. I have talked about it, at length in this discussion : "India would be more than half a century late for the global education commitment” reports U


Sudhanshu , Live and let live Oct, 17 2016


Your internet classrooom is a great idea. Coming from you makes it all the more exciting. Can you share some more details about it?


Sudhanshu , Live and let live Oct, 17 2016


You are saying startups are important, but 5 years and a lot of money has already been invested into it but apart from 2-3 companies we did not get any good outcome. Problem is more basic. Lies in the capability our students are developing.


Aman Rawal , Geek by profession, Deep interest in science Oct, 17 2016


After listening to you sir, my conclusion is that the problem is the lack of passion in teachers, is out recruitment process of teachers and professors screwed up?


Sakshi Sharma , Freelancer Designer Oct, 17 2016


Kapil Sabbal had been a very bad HRD minister, you have talked about an example too. Is NDA any better?


Rohit pande , Have a view on many things but happy to thras Oct, 17 2016


The problem is in us as people and society to look for rockstar ministers or change agents is to fail to recognise the malaise in our public education and even more in the private education which has been put together to earn a quick buck in the vacuum. A lot of people here in awaremonk see panacea in star teachers. I wish they are right because it gives hope
The problem is in us as people and society to look for rockstar ministers or change agents is to fail to recognise the malaise in our public education and even more in the private education which has been put together to earn a quick buck in the vacuum. A lot of people here in awaremonk see panacea


Sudhanshu , Live and let live Oct, 17 2016


If not rock stars, they have to be rational at the least. If you saw the video Prof Dinesh talked about how half hearted and half minded Kapil Sibbal was in implementing any positive change. Ministers and people at power do have power to bring in the change.


Rohit pande , Have a view on many things but happy to thras Oct, 17 2016


Just a quick check do ppl here think that Manish sisodia is doing something fundamental with govt school education in Delhi or is that another synthetic public relations exercise without intrinsic capacity rebuilding or retooling


Sudhanshu , Live and let live Oct, 17 2016


I too think he is solving a major problem, might not be the complete solution but a must need to build society of equal opportunities.


Bharti Mishra , President's Award winner, Teacher for over 3 Oct, 17 2016


He is solving the ground level problem. His service will be remembered by the nation.


Rohit pande , Have a view on many things but happy to thras Oct, 17 2016


But then why do we talk about everything but that in our public space. What more can ppl of this democracy ask but quality education and healthcare provided by the state


Rajshekhar , student at BITS goa. I am here to learn. Oct, 17 2016


If I am not in Delhi I tend to doubt what actual impact he has done apart from the infra built.

Could have been another PR exercise.



Rohit pande , Have a view on many things but happy to thras Oct, 17 2016


Could this be a result of the cynical times we live in problems are so deep rooted and tough to solve from ground level that pr hysteria is a convenient proxy.


Ishita Nangia , Not it. Oct, 17 2016


B.A. (Physics) hahaaha! Though sir, B. Tech. (Humanities) with the justification that mind is the technology we have at our disposal implies that all degrees should be labeled B. Tech. XYZ, since evrything involves our mind. Is that what your proposition is?


Malik , An engineer turned into a student of conflict Oct, 17 2016


Do you think technology in education or Ed-Tech is an answer to these problems?

Rahul S. you might want to participate in this discussion.



Rajesh Agarwal , Chief Engineer, Honda Motor Company Oct, 17 2016


You talked about govt withdrawing a point you proposed to take education forward. What has been govt. vested interest in running education system in such a bad way


Ishita Nangia , Not it. Oct, 17 2016


Only 14% employable from IITs?! That's a shocker. What can we expect out of lower rung colleges then?


Kabir Narang , BITSian '07 Oct, 17 2016


Very true, even in prestigious institutes such as BITS and IITs, all we are taught is to learn in a way that we crack exams. Being from an IIT myself, I know things first-hand. Real practical knowledge is considered a bonus under the name of "additional projects". Should they really be additional? Maybe redundant theory should be additional, not the practical applications.
Very true, even in prestigious institutes such as BITS and IITs, all we are taught is to learn in a way that we crack exams. Being from an IIT myself, I know things first-hand. Real practical knowledge is considered a bonus under the name of "additional projects". Should they really be additional? M


Syed Raza , In the quest of truth. Oct, 17 2016


But in a poor nations like ours, job security comes first. Ask the ones who have been denied basic privileges of life.


Syed Raza , In the quest of truth. Oct, 17 2016


For more than 25 minutes you glorifies our past.

Agreed we had a great one.

But we have a bad present. Very bad.

Education system is bad. We are extremely un-innovative. In last a couple of centuries we have literally added very little to the world in any field.

Lets talk about that. Lets find real problems. Lets be tensed about it and not happy because we had a great past.

"People who have a bad present, talk about the great past"

For more than 25 minutes you glorifies our past. Agreed we had a great one.But we have a bad present. Very bad. Education system is bad. We are extremely un-innovative. In last a couple of centuries we have literally added very little to the world in any field.Lets talk about that. Lets find real pr


Vivek Rao , I am. Oct, 17 2016


Adding a few more points:

1.) Rust free iron ore in delhi was extracted centuries ago when the world did not even know what metallurgy was.

2.) Tradition in south India to see a unique twin star which rotated around each other, just after marriage.We even knew about stars and astronomy



Ashima Singh , Exploring Oct, 17 2016


Sir, you are right about pointing out that India was once enabled, probably the most enabled. And we lost all of that due to the colonization and exploitation. But, are we really saying that it's okay to still not have recovered from that? Maybe we lost our knowledge troves, but the attitude to attain knowledge? How do we explain the loss of that?
Sir, you are right about pointing out that India was once enabled, probably the most enabled. And we lost all of that due to the colonization and exploitation. But, are we really saying that it's okay to still not have recovered from that? Maybe we lost our knowledge troves, but the attitude to atta


Vikram Gupta , Exploring, learning, believing Oct, 17 2016


Pythagoras Theorem actually from Brahmins? Woah! It seems even though our Maths was pretty evolved, our History scholars and educators failed us by not incorporating this in school-level textbooks. All we were ever proud of was inventing the 0.