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India

Discuss everything that is happening in India or is related to India

S.N Raman , learning, hope to be more aware :) PhD schola Sep, 18 2016

Pakistan knows that international pressure won't mean much till China is with them. And that's all that India can do #UriAttack


India cannot attack Pakistan and international relations are driven from diplomacy and not friendship, which pushes India back as China is a good friend of Pakistan.

What options India is left with apart from kadi ninda


Aman Rawal , Geek by profession, Deep interest in science Sep, 19 2016


Important Developmets regarding URI Attack -

1. Intelligence Bureau has said that it sent a "Highly specific, concrete and detailed" report to all the Army Headquarters on 15 September regarding a Fidayeen attack on army base camp in Uri.

2. The intelligence bureau sent this "emergency" intelligence report to everyone in the "crisis loop", including the army command centres.

3. IB had given concrete intelligence report that 3 groups of terrorists have infiltrated on 12 and 13 September with plans to attack Army/CRPF and BSF bases.

4. The first team was tracked, engaged and neutralised by Army in Poonch. This was the second team.

5. Third team is STILL UNTRACEABLE.

6. Now, the question arises : Why was army caught off-guard despite such a specific, concrete and detailed input ?

7. In today's attack, all the Jawans who were martyred didnt have time to retaliate and most of them did not have arms and ammunitions with them as it was the time when change of guard was taking place.

8. It shows not only an impeccable planning by the terrorists regarding time and location, but also raises a bigger question - why was there such a big lapse in SOP (Standard Operating Protocol) ?

9. Was there some traitor who leaked all the information regarding location, timing, intel info and the weak points ?

My condolences to all the martyrs. You will always remain in our hearts ! I am deeply pained that in your last moments, you could not even get a chance to fight these enemies. The whole country is enraged and angered. Hope your supreme sacrifice never goes into vain !!

#InspiredFromAQuoraAnswer

IB comments source : http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/uri-attack-specific-intelligence-inputs-ib-alert-army-units/1/767204.html

Important Developmets regarding URI Attack - 1. Intelligence Bureau has said that it sent a "Highly specific, concrete and detailed" report to all the Army Headquarters on 15 September regarding a Fidayeen attack on army base camp in Uri. 2. The intelligence bureau sent this "emergency" intelligen


Akshat Rao , Junior Scientist at BARC, Trying Awaremonk. Sep, 19 2016


The only thing we need to do, immediately and foremost is let Army prevail in its true form. An organization meant to protect everyone from external and internal threats. Stop putting so many chains around their feet that they are unable to walk and fight. Its easy for entire nation to suddenly start chanting “War, war” and hope for a decisive win. Well, easy for you to say because you are not going to war. We die in your bad policies and we will die in the war that you waged. At what time will the government start looking for welfare of it’s troops? Yes, soldiers are meant to fight, but that does not mean in any way that they have keep dying endlessly for bad diplomacy of governments. More than 6200 soldiers have died in Kashmir, and yet every government has failed to find a solution. If its Military solution, then let Defence forces deliver you Pakistan. If its Diplomatic, then government should do its job. Right now, government cant do anything and Army has become proverbial scapegoat.

What we really need to do, in my opinion:

Give Pak 3 months to wrap up its Terror camps and hand over all the wanted criminals and terrorists

Post 3 month we move against terror camps and take PoK back

Deliver support to Baluchistan and Afghanistan and build presure on this corrupt, inhuman and terror supporting government and Army in Pakistan

Take PoK after 3 months, and maintain offensive posturing

Independence to Defence forces to prepare and operate. Give them targets, not ill informed advice and criticism

Rajnath Singh should go to US and Russia as planned, and maintain India’s voice against terrorism globally. Let Pakistan feel the pressure that it has to mend its ways, or be obliterated from map

The only thing we need to do, immediately and foremost is let Army prevail in its true form. An organization meant to protect everyone from external and internal threats. Stop putting so many chains around their feet that they are unable to walk and fight. Its easy for entire nation to suddenly star


Anuja pathi , Indian who is an NRI interested in Indian an Sep, 19 2016


If you take over POK then what ? You will be exposing borders to whole Pakistan. They will continue doing what they were doing till now . Pakistan will not hand over POK on platter. It will use all its might and may also use nuclear weapons as they are dying to do it . It is a rogue nation. Even in 1971 while India was planning to strike they struck out air bases and started the war. We can avoid this happening only if Pakistan fears our defense capabilities. Unfortunately we have to escalate our defense capabilities. This will make Pakistan also to escalate. But Pakistan is failed state it cannot manage to compete with us especially now USA is slowly reducing it support and China is not liberal patron as USA . This may take 5 to 10 years to happen. 


Meanwhile we need to look into problems at home. When there was IB report about the attack why did army fail to secure our barracks. And how did the terrorists get such detailed internal information as change of guard and internal map of area . It means 2 things our defense security is horribly compromised and there is traitor . We need to immediately take care of these 2 areas . We need immediate homeland security reforms . Make it difficult for them to make Big Bang attacks in our country. They are spending a lot on these outfit and purpose will not be served if they don't get publicity internationally. They may find it useless to patronize these outfits eventually.


Internationally make out Pakistan to be a terrorist state at every forum . Give support to Balochistan and Afghanistan on international Forms . Form Groups of like minded countries like Afghanistan Bangladesh and kick out Pakistan from saarc .

Last but not least make Pakistan feel the heat economically and by your own sanctions on water of Indus .

I think we need our strategy on China because real player in this attack I believe is China. Pakistan is cheap dog doing China's dirty work.

If you take over POK then what ? You will be exposing borders to whole Pakistan. They will continue doing what they were doing till now . Pakistan will not hand over POK on platter. It will use all its might and may also use nuclear weapons as they are dying to do it . It is a rogue nation. Even in


S.N Raman , learning, hope to be more aware :) PhD schola Sep, 19 2016


With all its complexity associated with the issue, intact, the answer lies in a strong army led reply. It might not be a full war but an attempt to show them their place.

China is backing Pakistan there is no denial, but the more we refrain, the more danger we are in. We might be just postponing the solution, its been long 10 years of this proxy war or terror and we have lost a lot.

With all its complexity associated with the issue, intact, the answer lies in a strong army led reply. It might not be a full war but an attempt to show them their place. China is backing Pakistan there is no denial, but the more we refrain, the more danger we are in. We might be just postponing the


Aaditya Shah , Cars|Engineering|Architecture|Politics|foreig Sep, 19 2016


I say bomb the terrorist camps in PoK. Pak is an illegal occupant and has ZERO jurisdiction there. The whole of J&K state is ours and we can weed out extremists however we want without having to explain anything to anyone.

And have a shining destroyer or two stationed right outside Karachi. No more monkey business should be tolerated.

If our huge Navy, Air force and Army is not able to deter Pak, its time we used our machines on Pak than just letting them rust here.


I say bomb the terrorist camps in PoK. Pak is an illegal occupant and has ZERO jurisdiction there. The whole of J&K state is ours and we can weed out extremists however we want without having to explain anything to anyone.And have a shining destroyer or two stationed right outside Karachi. No mo


Ahmed Azab , Interested in history, Political science and Sep, 19 2016


"The whole of J&K state is ours" : sadly history and facts don't support your argument


Aaditya Shah , Cars|Engineering|Architecture|Politics|foreig Sep, 19 2016


History : J&K acceded to Indian Union in 1947 after Pak guerrillas attacked.

Depends on how far in history you want to go back. This land belongs to my ancestors and not some fake entity called Pakistan.

Fatcs : Pak is illegal occupant o the land in question. J&K Assembly has seats reserved or areas under PoK

History : J&K acceded to Indian Union in 1947 after Pak guerrillas attacked.Depends on how far in history you want to go back. This land belongs to my ancestors and not some fake entity called Pakistan.Fatcs : Pak is illegal occupant o the land in question. J&K Assembly has seats reserved or


Nikhil Dua , BITS alumnus, Market research analyst at Cred Sep, 19 2016


High time we do this. But what will we really do:

1.) 40k tweets, trend it. people abuse.

2.) Arnab will have a super high decibel debate with mahroof raza and gen bakshi.

3.) Ravish will call a few people to talk on facts. There two kind of journalisist will shape the format of debate in every gathering.

4.) Kadi ninda kari jayegi, as Mr. Raman wrote here

5.) PM will apparently roar that those involved will not be spared, just like pathankot. And might even invite Pakistan, jayeza lene ke liye.

6.) Tomorrow people will forget and repeat the same in future.


Sadly army will keep on fighting and losing brave people at the border.

High time we do this. But what will we really do:1.) 40k tweets, trend it. people abuse.2.) Arnab will have a super high decibel debate with mahroof raza and gen bakshi.3.) Ravish will call a few people to talk on facts. There two kind of journalisist will shape the format of debate in every gatheri


Aaditya Shah , Cars|Engineering|Architecture|Politics|foreig Sep, 19 2016


We have been desensitized because o 2 reasons:

1. The national psyche is generally submissive because o centuries o foreign oppression.

2. There is a section o society that is busy chasing some obscure ideals and dont want to confront the stark reality

It is our duty to confront he so called peaceniks, 'politically correct' and 'holier than thou' idiots in our society.

Debate with them, counter them, expose them. Call them out publicly for not speaking against our enemies.

These guys always claim the 'intellectual' plank and look down upon someone who feels or the nation. These guys have never known what it is to loose someone to terrorism. It is sad that we have not weeded them out yet.

We have been desensitized because o 2 reasons:1. The national psyche is generally submissive because o centuries o foreign oppression. 2. There is a section o society that is busy chasing some obscure ideals and dont want to confront the stark realityIt is our duty to confront he so called peaceniks


Vijay Arur , Sep, 18 2016


We have lost seventeen precious lives because of cross border terrorism. One could not help wondering why the world leaders are apathetic about India's pain on account of this Pakistan sponsored cross border terrorism. Does not China unabashedly plead for an NSG seat for Pakistan if India be given such a seat ? This kind of heavy loss of lives of our brave soldiers by intolerable sneaky militants invariably calls for a war with Pakistan and in case of such a war China will try to derive maximum gain by siding Pakistan and if India is lucky to get the support of any of western super powers, the world will be plunged into a terrible nuclear world war. Why not either the UNO or other world leaders intervene timely in this kind of cross border terrorism and prevent an apocalyptic world war ?

We have lost seventeen precious lives because of cross border terrorism. One could not help wondering why the world leaders are apathetic about India's pain on account of this Pakistan sponsored cross border terrorism. Does not China unabashedly plead for an NSG seat for Pakistan if India be given s


Rohit pande , Have a view on many things but happy to thras Sep, 18 2016


Agree that they are apathetic, but no one comes to the rescue of the weak. Don't you think India has to be strong enough to take its own revenge rather than please to other leaders to understand our case.


Arushi Singh , Here to become a monk :) Sep, 18 2016


What can make India strong to take its own revenge. My tone is not critical but inquisitive. Is it strength of the army or economy or international relations?


Rohit pande , Have a view on many things but happy to thras Sep, 18 2016


Frankly none, and one is very keen to know from all the rabble rousers, what can India do other than TV studio activism ?


Guys, is there a real option , a real actionable ?



Maninder Singh , AOL volunteer, Learning ways to improve farmi Sep, 18 2016


Taking stern action against all the hues of Kashmiri separatists, doing surgical strikes on terror hideouts in PoK,massively increasing moral,financial and logistical support to Baloch nationalists and launching a massive diplomatic offensive against Pak in international arena would be an appropriate response to #URI terror attacks.
Taking stern action against all the hues of Kashmiri separatists, doing surgical strikes on terror hideouts in PoK,massively increasing moral,financial and logistical support to Baloch nationalists and launching a massive diplomatic offensive against Pak in international arena would be an appropriat


Ahmed Azab , Interested in history, Political science and Sep, 18 2016


Read this with open mind.




Mohammad Asif , Poet by passion, trader by profession Sep, 18 2016


Elaborated text copied from Shehla's fb profile:

If the #Uri_attack demonstrates anything, it is the fact that the Indian state is pitting people against people, substituting a democratic resolution of Kashmir issue with a process of bloodbath and violence.

Whoever cares for the lives of the slain Indian soldiers must ask for the right to self-determination of the people of Jammu and Kashmir, a peaceful and dignified resolution to the issue, rather than a prolonged war.

The terror attack is sad and condemnable, and so is the continued state terror being unleashed on Kashmiris for the past two months and more.

If in Srinagar, a single dog dies, Maneka Gandhi flies down to Srinagar and demands action against people.

However, the streets of Srinagar are being coloured with the blood of Kashmiris, and not a single voice is raised. CRPF fires into the houses of Kashmiris, killing people and blinding them. It's an all out war on the unarmed people.

On the other hand, by the army's own admission, more soldiers are dying due to suicide and depression than in combat.

Dear Indian people, plz understand. Your government is lying to you. It is carrying on a fight which it has morally lost. Stop the moral support to the state violence in Kashmir. That's the only way to save lives of young Indian men who go to serve in the armed forces.

Elaborated text copied from Shehla's fb profile:If the #Uri_attack demonstrates anything, it is the fact that the Indian state is pitting people against people, substituting a democratic resolution of Kashmir issue with a process of bloodbath and violence. Whoever cares for the lives of the slain In


Ahmed Azab , Interested in history, Political science and Sep, 18 2016


Thanks Asif


Sudhanshu , Live and let live Sep, 18 2016


There are options, we have won battles earlier and we will win this time too. Pakistan is just testing its luck with India's patience.

Pakistan seems to believe India won’t act strongly and give a befitting reply to the aggressors. However, it seems Modi's patience might just be running out.



Rohit pande , Have a view on many things but happy to thras Sep, 18 2016


Pakistan is a nuclear state. Is war an option.


Sudhanshu , Live and let live Sep, 18 2016


Pakistan successfully tested nuclear weapon in 1998, we won kargil in 1999


Rohit pande , Have a view on many things but happy to thras Sep, 18 2016


Kargil was Pakistani aggression we repulsed, it had a conventional area capture objective then. So, there was no motivation on their side for N option. I do agree that India's policy cant be so passive always, but am doubting whether our establishment is ready for the full consequences beyond the rhetoric.
Kargil was Pakistani aggression we repulsed, it had a conventional area capture objective then. So, there was no motivation on their side for N option. I do agree that India's policy cant be so passive always, but am doubting whether our establishment is ready for the full consequences beyond the rh


Sudhanshu , Live and let live Sep, 19 2016


Kargil was different from current scenario.

But even in kargil war, army without informing the govt attacked first, and the govt was left with no option other than participating. Hence India had to reply. Losing the war was some motivation for Pakistan to use nuclear.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1T7PIFvIhE this is a long video but exposes what happened in Kargil.

Also even this time the situation is similar(except the capturing area part). This time there might be three power centers, army. terrorists and the govt. This time also their aggression has to be repulsed, only the nature of attack has changed. Unless India doesn't try and capture Pakistani area it will difficult for them to use the N option. India will surely have to know its limits in the war.

Kargil was different from current scenario. But even in kargil war, army without informing the govt attacked first, and the govt was left with no option other than participating. Hence India had to reply. Losing the war was some motivation for Pakistan to use nuclear.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=


S.N Raman , learning, hope to be more aware :) PhD schola Sep, 18 2016


No. There is no direct solution. India will have to involve international community because the war is not just with Pakistan it's with mad terrorists and then being supported by another international community.

Modi is trying hard on this front gathering international community against terrorism but sadly world doesn't function in this linear fashion, hence we will have to wait for a more powerful nation maybe like Russia to take the fight on

No. There is no direct solution. India will have to involve international community because the war is not just with Pakistan it's with mad terrorists and then being supported by another international community.Modi is trying hard on this front gathering international community against terrorism but


Rohit pande , Have a view on many things but happy to thras Sep, 18 2016


Yes, but Russia has its own interests and is seen siding with or against terrorism based on that. ( Assad vs ISIS )

One big lesson of contemporary foreign affairs is that nobody fights anthers battle. Its all narrow self interest.

India is hyphenated with Pakistan every which way - geography, nukes, Kashmir

After the rabble rousing stops, we just deal with that and move on

Yes, but Russia has its own interests and is seen siding with or against terrorism based on that. ( Assad vs ISIS )One big lesson of contemporary foreign affairs is that nobody fights anthers battle. Its all narrow self interest.India is hyphenated with Pakistan every which way - geography, nukes, K


sohail , Sep, 18 2016


This shows how successful and efficient Pak is against India. Our PM tried giving a stern warning, but it has only resulted in multiple blows on the Indian borders and J&K valley. How will the Indian leadership respond? Condemn, point fingers at Pak & heat up the diplomatic channels with accusations and perhaps flag the issue with the west, who I am sure have least respect on India, from the way we handled Mumbai blasts. Mishaps continue on Indian side with no positive responses from Indian political system.

This shows how successful and efficient Pak is against India. Our PM tried giving a stern warning, but it has only resulted in multiple blows on the Indian borders and J&K valley. How will the Indian leadership respond? Condemn, point fingers at Pak & heat up the diplomatic channels with accusations


Rohit pande , Have a view on many things but happy to thras Sep, 18 2016


Yes, an an over-aggressive strategy with stone pelting youth is only complicating matters as most Western governments cant side with India on that. To suffer such a huge loss to the armed forces and then respond by saying Pakistan is isolated, is surely a super-sissy response. Can India give a swift response beyond words ? is the only test that we should subject our leadership to.
Yes, an an over-aggressive strategy with stone pelting youth is only complicating matters as most Western governments cant side with India on that. To suffer such a huge loss to the armed forces and then respond by saying Pakistan is isolated, is surely a super-sissy response. Can India give a swift


Rohit pande , Have a view on many things but happy to thras Sep, 18 2016


Hey!! our posts intersected on this and views too

Agree, to add to "kadi ninda ", get US to add to "Kadi ninda

Can the makers of Aware provide us a method to string such posts together

After all, no point creating a twitter like Khichdi for readers.



Rajshekhar , student at BITS goa. I am here to learn. Sep, 18 2016


Awaremonk can introduce a concept of topics to merge different discussions on one topic