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India

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Laxmaneshwar Pratap Singh Chauhan , -A mechie @ NIT Patna, -Intern @ Engine Deve Aug, 06 2016

It is high time we start thinking on how to make HAL more lean and divide it into different govt. entities


Another IAF Hawk Trainer crashed during take off, in Kalaikunda, West Bengal on Thursday. Both pilots were ejected safely, reported CNN News18. This is only the tip of the iceberg as far as the mess in PSUs like HAL and Bharat Earth Movers Limited (BEML) is concerned. Through their inefficiency and lack of transparency, these companies in effect, end up serving the interests of the Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM), by importing the equipment concerned in the first place and impeding the indigenisation process even further.
Another IAF Hawk Trainer crashed during take off, in Kalaikunda, West Bengal on Thursday. Both pilots were ejected safely, reported CNN News18. This is only the tip of the iceberg as far as the mess in PSUs like HAL and Bharat Earth Movers Limited (BEML) is concerned. Through their inefficiency and lack of transparency, these companies in effect, end up serving the interests of the Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM), by importing the equipment concerned in the first place and impeding the indigenisation process even further.

Sameer , Aug, 07 2016


HAL was not the cause of the failure of MMRCA. HAL could not have manufactured the Rafale for the French on road price.The French simply told our people - oh sorry we had quoted the price based on a 4.5 hour day because we are highly efficient and HAL cannot do it because it is inefficient and works 8 hour days. So HAL cost goes up and MMRCA cost goes up and RFP does not hold. Also because HAL is inefficient and not reliable so we will not guarantee their output. Reality was that Dassault had nearly no spare production capability and was relying on depreciated plants and amortized R&D and just plain lying to get to L-1 status. First rule of costing is that you if have no production capacity left then you accept whatever is there till the time you can make at least the fixed costs. For Dassault there always will be fixed costs to be recovered because there will always be expensive R&D going on. Common sense dictates that if you cannot do it yourself then you have it done outside, even if its more costly then the home production. In such cases the profitability of the order would be low but the overall profits for the company, will be maximized. Now normally its ok if you are concentrated on the profitability but then in that case they should not have come in and quoted a French price when they had no real production capacity. So now they have an even more interest in delaying the 36 on order from India. They have a great deal of difficulty in implementing orders that they already have. They are getting high profitability orders that IAF interest has enabled even while IAF is losing squad strength.
HAL was not the cause of the failure of MMRCA. HAL could not have manufactured the Rafale for the French on road price.The French simply told our people - oh sorry we had quoted the price based on a 4.5 hour day because we are highly efficient and HAL cannot do it because it is inefficient and works


Arunay , Aug, 07 2016


If HAL is incompetent despite so much going for it then multi-furcating HAL would only yield more incompetent units. My take is that there are more than enough pockets of good work over there. But there is not enough focus on things that should have mattered. The helo division if allowed to grow would have been able to strike real partnerships with the French and we could have avoided the stupid helo decision for Chinooks and Apaches. Now merely because the aircrafts making division thinks it should be allowed monopoly on MMRCA, the french keep coming up with crazy speculative discounts/addons. But this in no way addresses the inherent competence in the Helo division. This does not mean that the aircrafts making side of the business is not good enough. Aircrafts making itself is bound by the overall lopsided development cycles that are a net result of the merry-go-round that IAF indulges in. OTOH at one time even the helo division was not looked at with favour like when the ALH was refusing to fly. Who knows with the Sitara and LCA, the aircrafts division may itself begin to show signs of good health bogged down by the advisors for the aircrafts division.
If HAL is incompetent despite so much going for it then multi-furcating HAL would only yield more incompetent units. My take is that there are more than enough pockets of good work over there. But there is not enough focus on things that should have mattered. The helo division if allowed to grow wou


sohail , Aug, 07 2016


Private sector does not pour in so much in India as it does in US. Also, the administration in most universities is hostile to such investment except a few big schools like IIMs. This leave very little incentive for Profs to work on anything other than local politics. This is from an insider- we have taken social equality(inclusive growth) too much seriously that we split the small research pie between too many different projects. So instead of giving 10 lakh to one project, usually they pay 2 lakhs to 5 different projects. In the end, none of the projects get any desired output. For eg.- A guy wanted to do some research on comparing PPP vs private road projects and he wanted to measure smoothness of roads. The way you do it is run a car for several hundred of kms with an measurement instrument mounted on it. The grants authority did not reject his project, because he is well known, but gave him 2 lakhs while he asked for something like 20 lakhs. Apparently the instrument mounted on the car itself costs more than the money granted
Private sector does not pour in so much in India as it does in US. Also, the administration in most universities is hostile to such investment except a few big schools like IIMs. This leave very little incentive for Profs to work on anything other than local politics. This is from an insider- we hav


Sahil , Aug, 07 2016


HAL, NAL, DRDO, I.I.Sc. etc. are agencies/institutions on whom the government spends huge amounts of money. These behemoths provide guaranteed lifelong direct/indirect employment to millions of people. The money that is pumped into these institutions is taxpayer money. The output that comes out of these institutions/companies should justify the expenditure that we incur. The point that Marxist admirers fail to understand is this: I dont care and dont need to care if VW doesnt perform well. VW can go to hell for all I care, VWs place will be taken by someone else sooner or later. However, it is a serious problem for me if HAL doesnt perform well.
HAL, NAL, DRDO, I.I.Sc. etc. are agencies/institutions on whom the government spends huge amounts of money. These behemoths provide guaranteed lifelong direct/indirect employment to millions of people. The money that is pumped into these institutions is taxpayer money. The output that comes out of t


Vikram Sethi , Aug, 07 2016


I have seen the ridiculous state of private research in India. A friend of mine is a PhD in genetics, but is not able to get any good job in India. The only options he has are in the government sector. He applied for a research job. Being a Bangalorean, he was assigned a job in some remote backwater in WB, whereas other "better connected" candidates managed to land themselves plum postings in Mumbai/Bangalore/Delhi/etc. You just cant survive if you dont game the system, things are that pathetic. So, there is no private research and govt. research is underfunded and poorly paid. It is definitely a vicious cycle which can only be broken with increased economic growth and prosperity.
I have seen the ridiculous state of private research in India. A friend of mine is a PhD in genetics, but is not able to get any good job in India. The only options he has are in the government sector. He applied for a research job. Being a Bangalorean, he was assigned a job in some remote backwater


Ashish Kulkarni , Aug, 07 2016


Do you even know about the products made by HAL? Do read the achievements of HF-24 Marut before blabbering of its performance. The lack of power hindered the speed of the aircraft, but with pleasant handling characteristics and good aerobatic capabilities it was well liked by its pilots. It was used in combat in the ground attack role, where its safety features such as manual controls whenever the hydraulic systems failed and twin engines were looked upon favourably and increased survivability. The Marut, as an aircraft, was shown to be tough and capable. No aircraft were ever lost in air-to-air combat. However, 3 were lost to ground fire and 1 was lost on the ground.The Maruts were in the thick of it, right through the fighting on the western front, and the Squadrons ended the war with a total of three Vir Chakras.
Do you even know about the products made by HAL? Do read the achievements of HF-24 Marut before blabbering of its performance. The lack of power hindered the speed of the aircraft, but with pleasant handling characteristics and good aerobatic capabilities it was well liked by its pilots. It was used