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Panel Discussions

Panel discussions are discussions conducted by Awaremonk

AwareMonk , Official account of AwareMonk Sep, 08 2016

"India would be more than half a century late for the global education commitment” reports UNESCO. What exactly went wrong?


From mid day meal, to 'school chale hum' campaign, to a lot of innovation in edtech, a lot has been tried. But the results have been upsetting.

The report says there is an urgent need for greater headway in education and the sector needs a major transformation to fulfil the needed potential and meet the current challenges facing humanity and the planet. What should be the key focus area:

1. Focus on public schools, or promoting private schools

2. Attracting bright young people to pursue teaching as a profession.

3. Increase in investment

4. Innovation in technology rtc.

Brief Report

http://www.newsbytesapp.com/timeline/World/3218/19290/amp/aware

Detailed Report

http://unesdoc.unesco.org/images/0024/002457/245752e.pdf

From mid day meal, to 'school chale hum' campaign, to a lot of innovation in edtech, a lot has been tried. But the results have been upsetting.The report says there is an urgent need for greater headway in education and the sector needs a major transformation to fulfil the needed potential and meet the current challenges facing humanity and the planet. What should be the key focus area:1. Focus on public schools, or promoting private schools2. Attracting bright young people to pursue teaching as a profession.3. Increase in investment4. Innovation in technology rtc. Brief Reporthttp://www.newsbytesapp.com/timeline/World/3218/19290/amp/aware Detailed Reporthttp://unesdoc.unesco.org/images/0024/002457/245752e.pdf

Nikita Nain , Seeks vibrancy in life Sep, 08 2016


I graduated from a premier Institute of the country and in the entire three years I did not come across any one who wanted to pursue teaching as a career. Teaching as a noble profession is losing its sheen. The age of teachers who inspire, who make you their devout disciples is over. Teaching to alter lives, even if just one life, needs to be inculcated. Policy changes, economic facilitation, government intervention are always talked about. But the first point of contact are the teachers and disinterested, uninspiring teachers cannot be allowed to continue.
I graduated from a premier Institute of the country and in the entire three years I did not come across any one who wanted to pursue teaching as a career. Teaching as a noble profession is losing its sheen. The age of teachers who inspire, who make you their devout disciples is over. Teaching to alt


RetardedWriter , Follow me and Kill the suspense. Self Proclai Sep, 08 2016


Our education system is geared towards teaching and testing knowledge at every level as opposed to teaching skills. “Give a man a fish and you feed him one day, teach him how to catch fishes and you feed him for a lifetime.” I believe that if you teach a man a skill, you enable him for a lifetime. Knowledge is largely forgotten after the semester exam is over. Still, year after year Indian students focus on cramming information. The best crammers are rewarded by the system. This is one of the fundamental flaws of our education system
Our education system is geared towards teaching and testing knowledge at every level as opposed to teaching skills. “Give a man a fish and you feed him one day, teach him how to catch fishes and you feed him for a lifetime.” I believe that if you teach a man a skill, you enable him for a lifeti


Arushi Singh , Here to become a monk :) Sep, 08 2016


Cramming is not merely cramming, it inculcates a the power to memorize things which helps you make decisions instantly. It inculcated discipline, hardwork too.

If you have to refer to laws of physics while building an architecture of a bridge, you will never be able to do so. Though cramming seems to be a soft target but it is very much required.

Cramming is not merely cramming, it inculcates a the power to memorize things which helps you make decisions instantly. It inculcated discipline, hardwork too.If you have to refer to laws of physics while building an architecture of a bridge, you will never be able to do so. Though cramming seems to


Anuja pathi , Indian who is an NRI interested in Indian an Sep, 13 2016


Setting major problems of funding, education policies and infrastructure I think Indians approach to education is flawed . The very system of memorizing makes education dis interesting for children . I think understand the concept automatically makes you remember things . If you really understand the laws of physics do you need to memorize them. I understood that when I came west ( UK) after my MBBS & MD in India .


For example drugs we had to memorize their indications mechanisms doses side effects all in one go. In the end we would forget everything. When I came here I realized they only knew which drug is used for what and why it is used and major side effects and contraindications. Rest you have a BNF on every doctors table he will check the dose and minor side effects and explains to the patients . Do that in India patient will run away think that doctor is reading and giving treatment.


Second problem is teachers . Even math here they make it so easy to understand. Especially in math some students are made to feel they are not smart enough to learn math. They don't understand that teacher is incapable of making that last student understand the sum . Blame the teacher not the student.

A bright student can probably learn without a teacher. It is that last student who needs a teacher.

I think govt should immediately look into improving teacher quality and measure success of projects according to performance of student. Reward the teachers when their students perform.


Every country reviews its education policies once in 5 years. When have we done ours ?

Setting major problems of funding, education policies and infrastructure I think Indians approach to education is flawed . The very system of memorizing makes education dis interesting for children . I think understand the concept automatically makes you remember things . If you really understand th


Rohit pande , Have a view on many things but happy to thras Sep, 08 2016


Holistic primary edu + skils is an answer but it cant be reached without a complete churn and the State apparatus re-inventing itself to deliver education


Alka Singh , Educationalist, Mother and a leader Sep, 08 2016


Being a head of school I totally agree its the teacher who is the first point of contact and she has to be passionate to bring about a transformation in tbe child at micro level and education system on macro level


RetardedWriter , Follow me and Kill the suspense. Self Proclai Sep, 08 2016


For way too long teaching became the sanctuary of the incompetent. Teaching jobs are until today widely regarded as safe, well-paying, risk-free and low-pressure jobs. Once a teacher told me in high school “Well, if you guys don’t study it is entirely your loss – I will get my salary at the end of the month anyway.” He could not put across the lack of incentive for being good at teaching any better. Thousands of terrible teachers all over India are wasting valuable time of young children every day all over India.

Education for all

Education for all

It is high time to encourage a breed of superstar teachers. The internet has created this possibility – the performance of a teacher now need not be restricted to a small classroom. Now the performance of a teacher can be opened up for the world to see. The better teacher will be more popular, and acquire more students. That’s the way of the future. Read here about why I think that we are closing on to the age of rockstar teachers.

We need leaders, entrepreneurs in teaching positions, not salaried people trying to hold on to their mantle.

For way too long teaching became the sanctuary of the incompetent. Teaching jobs are until today widely regarded as safe, well-paying, risk-free and low-pressure jobs. Once a teacher told me in high school “Well, if you guys don’t study it is entirely your loss – I will get my salary at the en


Rohit pande , Have a view on many things but happy to thras Sep, 08 2016


Yes, superstar teachers is a component of revitalization of education, role models which society lacks today. But it cant be a game changer of mass education which has to be delivered to 250 million children, inspite of internet et al. Average teacher - average child is the majority learning transaction





Yes, superstar teachers is a component of revitalization of education, role models which society lacks today. But it cant be a game changer of mass education which has to be delivered to 250 million children, inspite of internet et al. Average teacher - average child is the majority learning transac


Rahul Gupta , Techie by education, writer by profession, cu Sep, 08 2016


Probably @unacademy can solve this for India


Mohsin , I am here to engage in meaningful discussions Sep, 13 2016


While online platforms and courses have evolved a lot over the past 3-4 years, they still have a long way to go, for them to be even considered for an alternate to the formal education.


mmpant , Prof. M M Pant (www.mmpant.net) is pursuin Sep, 08 2016


This might change soon with technology empowering teachers and make them more valuable. Anyone who has searched for a good Maths or Science teacher for their children know how rare the species has become.

An expert can demonstrate his or her expertise, but a teacher can make an expert out of an ignorant person. See the value !

This might change soon with technology empowering teachers and make them more valuable. Anyone who has searched for a good Maths or Science teacher for their children know how rare the species has become. An expert can demonstrate his or her expertise, but a teacher can make an expert out of an igno


Aditya Singh , Starting up. Just learnt before launch its ca Sep, 08 2016


Value of a teacher is immense, but how will the mindset change ?

Is it by paying more, by improving the selection criteria, PR like the govt does for all its schemes but is it even important for them. How is this going to change?



Ruvneet Bains , Assessment expert and teacher trainer; adviso Sep, 08 2016


wonderfully said! the lack of inspired people is not just a crisis in teaching, i find it in almost all workplaces. the teacher, however, sets the 'classroom climate' and thereby impacts more young minds than anyone else, so yes, the tomorrows of our nation sitting in our classrooms need the Kalaam's more than ever, we just need to find ways to create them.
wonderfully said! the lack of inspired people is not just a crisis in teaching, i find it in almost all workplaces. the teacher, however, sets the 'classroom climate' and thereby impacts more young minds than anyone else, so yes, the tomorrows of our nation sitting in our classrooms need the Kalaam'


Annie Namala , Work with centre for social equity and inclus Sep, 08 2016


I agree that education as career has lost its sheen. Then I would go out and look for children who want to be teachers. When I talk to poor children many want to be teachers. Why not prepare them and build up that interest end passion


Alka Singh , Educationalist, Mother and a leader Sep, 08 2016


I feel the moment we make it highly paid job and have stringent selection criteria things will change


Priyanka Prasad , Priyanka Prasad - Project Head aProCh ( a Pro Sep, 08 2016


I totally agree to the above the statement. Despite India’s claim to being a rising world power, it fairs badly, in terms of the human development index, such as literacy, schooling, morbidity, mortality and ranks among the poorest countries in the world (UNDP Human Development Report 2010). Public expenditures have failed to deliver basic services to the majority of its poor citizens (Yadav 1999). Studies suggest that despite the resources being put into the field of education by the state, there is little corresponding impact on actual schooling and educational achievement (Keefer and Khemani 2004). Several studies indicate that the poor rarely seek education beyond the primary levels.

The Right to Education (RTE) Act (2009), which gives every child the right to free and compulsory 8 years of elementary education, has engendered the field of primary education in India. However, the well intentioned Act does not clearly chart out its implementation aspect, making it a challenge for schools to enact it. The challenge of providing quality primary/elementary education to children appears daunting when one takes into consideration the Annual Status of Education Reports which has consistently highlighted the dismal plight of primary education in state run schools across the country. It is in this context, I seek to understand how best we can integrate students, from social and economically marginalized communities and from state run schools whose learning skills are often not at par with their grade levels, in schools that are implementing the RTE ACT.


The money that is allocated towards schemes to improve education does not focus on ensuring the right support structures are in place in terms trainings, infrastructures etc that would ensure that educators & facilitators have a good understanding and carry out quality implementation of the schemes. At the same time- the requirements from the job sector also reflects in some sense on the aspects that system has chosen to focus, there is less focus on skill development and innovation- this also starts from an infrastructural level even and not just the lack of qualified or competent individuals at various levels not just among the teachers.

I totally agree to the above the statement. Despite India’s claim to being a rising world power, it fairs badly, in terms of the human development index, such as literacy, schooling, morbidity, mortality and ranks among the poorest countries in the world (UNDP Human Development Report 2010). Publi


Annie Namala , Work with centre for social equity and inclus Sep, 08 2016


We need to put in additional resources in the public system and ensure the barriers of the most marginalised children are addressed to ensure universal quality education


Lohit Sahu , Educationist | Entrepreneur | Artist Sep, 08 2016


1. Where do we get these resources from ?
2. How do we ensure that the resources are actually used to better the education? For example an expensive school is almost as bad as a govt school in terms of education. Infrastructure might be better.


Alka Singh , Educationalist, Mother and a leader Sep, 08 2016


Being head of school apart from good infrastructure we focus on life skills ,talent and academics.

Our methodology is experiential learning such that each child grts transformed into a leader of tomorrow

Its the vision and passion that matters



Annie Namala , Work with centre for social equity and inclus Sep, 08 2016


I think the country today has resources. We are putting them in what we consider priorities. The government is subsidising the corporate and business sector heavily, I also read that the taxation system needs to be revised as india has one of the lowest tax- GDP ratio. There are many recommendations by experts in this direction
I think the country today has resources. We are putting them in what we consider priorities. The government is subsidising the corporate and business sector heavily, I also read that the taxation system needs to be revised as india has one of the lowest tax- GDP ratio. There are many recommendations


Akhil Singh , Co-Founder at Awaremonk.com Unlearning all th Sep, 08 2016


In a resource scarce country, should we do it on the cost of resources allocated at higher education?


mmpant , Prof. M M Pant (www.mmpant.net) is pursuin Sep, 08 2016


We may not realise it but the regulators go out of their way to create a very expensive education system for a rather poor country. No pooling if resources, no sharing, no stretching of time, unnecessary duplication ...


Rohit pande , Have a view on many things but happy to thras Sep, 08 2016


Most politicians and administrators would get it wrong. Its not like as if the cost of laying 1 km of road is 10 cr and the country needs x, 000 kms and one just puts together the resources. We don't even know the future for which we are training and at what point it becomes over-education which would not give return. Its a tightrope where we don't even know which side of the public-private debate shall the solution come from. And technology is again a double edged sword in the hands of the educator. Complex interplay of so many human issues. One of the toughest problems which receives very little governance attention and even political priority
Most politicians and administrators would get it wrong. Its not like as if the cost of laying 1 km of road is 10 cr and the country needs x, 000 kms and one just puts together the resources. We don't even know the future for which we are training and at what point it becomes over-education which wou


Aditya Singh , Starting up. Just learnt before launch its ca Sep, 08 2016


Over education might be a problem for minuscule percentage and shouldn't be an agenda for govt.

Current scenario of education is manufacturing mindless and clueless individuals, which is dangerous for the society. Largest youth population will become a burden not an advantage if we fail to educate them

Over education might be a problem for minuscule percentage and shouldn't be an agenda for govt. Current scenario of education is manufacturing mindless and clueless individuals, which is dangerous for the society. Largest youth population will become a burden not an advantage if we fail to educate t


Bharti Mishra , President's Award winner, Teacher for over 3 Sep, 08 2016


It is September already, exams are about to start, and you know what sir my children still haven't got books for these years. Where are they going out of their way? Why are we not solving the most basic one?


Bharti Mishra , President's Award winner, Teacher for over 3 Sep, 08 2016


Only way to build an egalitarian society.


Annie Namala , Work with centre for social equity and inclus Sep, 08 2016


Agree that equal quality education is the only way to build egalitarian society


Lohit Sahu , Educationist | Entrepreneur | Artist Sep, 08 2016


I think this is one sector that involves the most number of people as either the service provider or the consumer. The ecosystem is so big yet so scattered that it becomes unimaginable to bring all the stakeholders together to find the right spot. Incidentally, India has seen rise of such technology based companies that have completely eliminated the "human-bad" from the process, like
1. the taxi aggregators - they used the same drivers, and the same taxis, but made them organised, brought in standards. Standards of locating the traveler, standards of car hygiene, standards of hospitality, standards of payments and most of all the standards of grievance handling.
2. the set-top boxes - they removed the dependencies of the consumer on the arrogant, inefficient cable guy who would have the monopoly of content distribution in a particular area, and if you didn't get a good signal, well touch luck, and the payments would vary too. But not with the stanndardisation with the set-top boxes. The best of all, you can choose what you want to watch, and for the channels they get instant TRPs.

I think it is time now, to intelligently bring together all the stakeholders in a system that is modular and does justice to the most important part in a human's life: education.
I think this is one sector that involves the most number of people as either the service provider or the consumer. The ecosystem is so big yet so scattered that it becomes unimaginable to bring all the stakeholders together to find the right spot. Incidentally, India has seen rise of such technology


Avnita Bir , Educator Sep, 08 2016


Lohit from Phyzok


Arushi Singh , Here to become a monk :) Sep, 08 2016


Taxi aggregaration has come one the cost of monopoly of the industry by pouring in humongous money by a few players, not they own the whole industry, can we afford this with education?

Also are you Lohit from Phyzok?



Lohit Sahu , Educationist | Entrepreneur | Artist Sep, 08 2016


Well, this is even more feasible with Education, as it involves content delivery, engagement and tangible products. Investors would love to pour in all the money if only it was tied together. And yes, I am the Lohit from Phyzok. how do we know each other ?


Arushi Singh , Here to become a monk :) Sep, 08 2016


Makes sense, even taxi industry or public transportation was govt's responsibility which private players made smooth.

Was doing a thesis on startups in this sector so got to know about you and Phyzok. All the best



Bharti Mishra , President's Award winner, Teacher for over 3 Sep, 08 2016


"I think this is one sector that involves the most number of people as either the service provider or the consumer. " Should we even see education in terms of economics. Shouldn't education and healthcare be two things that govt should make sure no matter what.


Alka Singh , Educationalist, Mother and a leader Sep, 08 2016


Countries who invest on health care and education are the ones who create human capital formation leading to growth


Annie Namala , Work with centre for social equity and inclus Sep, 08 2016


I completely agree that government should provide education and health as its priority. That is most critical to our citizenship. These investments in defence etc and war threats can be handled when our children are healthy and educated and make the next generation


Lohit Sahu , Educationist | Entrepreneur | Artist Sep, 08 2016


well govt has tried doing this (and many other things) for past hundreds of years (taking every kind of governance there has been) and consistently failed. The answer to "how to make it better" cannot be "work better" now. We need to be ready to systemic change, otherwise there will only be hope, and no action.
well govt has tried doing this (and many other things) for past hundreds of years (taking every kind of governance there has been) and consistently failed. The answer to "how to make it better" cannot be "work better" now. We need to be ready to systemic change, otherwise there will only be hope, an


Rajshekhar , student at BITS goa. I am here to learn. Sep, 08 2016


Cost per child is more for public schools than private schools, its an example of poor implementation/procedures/will etc.


Annie Namala , Work with centre for social equity and inclus Sep, 08 2016


The costs investments vary greatly across states and different layers of schooling. We need to compare with what developed countries invest in education and not iust between Govt and private here


Shiv Sharma , Passion leaves a trace. Sep, 08 2016


This makes a lot of sense, in theory. How to implement this though? As consumers of taxi and set-top box companies are all adults, they have a huge advantage of appealing to the logical and informed section of the society. Since the pain-point of education arises mainly in early childhood when the students are highly unaware of what might be the right way or not, how can we bridge this gap?
This makes a lot of sense, in theory. How to implement this though? As consumers of taxi and set-top box companies are all adults, they have a huge advantage of appealing to the logical and informed section of the society. Since the pain-point of education arises mainly in early childhood when the s


Lohit Sahu , Educationist | Entrepreneur | Artist Sep, 08 2016


that's a very good question and the answer for this lies in the word "consumer". Instead of automating things for students, we must automate and standardize for the teacher, thereby keeping the layer of "student-Teacher" interaction, but empowering the teacher multifolds.


Ruvneet Bains , Assessment expert and teacher trainer; adviso Sep, 08 2016


i agree - we need to move to personalised education for the students so they find it meaningful and it serves them well in their individual lives, but what we need to raise are the teacher educator practices- standardise these so that there is quality teaching in all schools.

i believe though that today there is a need to inspire teachers as much as empower them. in my many interactions with both students and teachers, we seem to be missing heroes or inspirational leaders. that i believe is the deeper issue.

i agree - we need to move to personalised education for the students so they find it meaningful and it serves them well in their individual lives, but what we need to raise are the teacher educator practices- standardise these so that there is quality teaching in all schools. i believe though that t


Chetan , Educator Sep, 08 2016


There is an emergency situation in education. it reflects in peoples behavior just about everywhere. Government needs to be creative in bringing in private sector for better efficiency & governance in the education system. Also a step-up is required in making education effective with more R&D projects from both government and private sector being undertaken by Indian Institutes.
There is an emergency situation in education. it reflects in peoples behavior just about everywhere. Government needs to be creative in bringing in private sector for better efficiency & governance in the education system. Also a step-up is required in making education effective with more R&


mmpant , Prof. M M Pant (www.mmpant.net) is pursuin Sep, 08 2016


Chetan, you are absolutely right about the 'emergency'. We distract people by talking about rural or other deprived niche.

But the cruel fact is that rich affluent urban people paying thousands of Rupees per month are also getting a mentally crippling education that is not preparing them for the future. Our Bharata Ratna Prodessor CNR Rao has said that 90% of our Unuversities have outdated curriculum. If this is not an emergency, what is ?

Chetan, you are absolutely right about the 'emergency'. We distract people by talking about rural or other deprived niche.But the cruel fact is that rich affluent urban people paying thousands of Rupees per month are also getting a mentally crippling education that is not preparing them for the fut


Ruvneet Bains , Assessment expert and teacher trainer; adviso Sep, 08 2016


completely agree with the outdated curriculum part. its like being given stone age tools that students must use, but they then step out into the tech age.


Annie Namala , Work with centre for social equity and inclus Sep, 08 2016


I am not sure private sector engagement can ensure the education of the marginalised children. The government has enough intellectual and infrastructure resources. We are lagging behind because our poor children are not getting education and not because the well off children are not being educated. Private sector provides to those who can pay
I am not sure private sector engagement can ensure the education of the marginalised children. The government has enough intellectual and infrastructure resources. We are lagging behind because our poor children are not getting education and not because the well off children are not being educated.


Ruvneet Bains , Assessment expert and teacher trainer; adviso Sep, 08 2016


I agree; the means are with the government, can we find ways to increase accountability?


Lohit Sahu , Educationist | Entrepreneur | Artist Sep, 08 2016


absolutely. unless there is a system to monitor accountability this would be a blackhole for resources.


Ruvneet Bains , Assessment expert and teacher trainer; adviso Sep, 08 2016


and edtech brings in the transparency, immediacy in reporting. i just think we are looking at edtech-to-replace-support-teaching and instead we aught to be looking at using the best of edtech for increasing accountability.


Bharti Mishra , President's Award winner, Teacher for over 3 Sep, 08 2016


It makes me laugh when people say that the system is working towards primary education. There is poor teacher allotment and over and above that there are many issues: 1.) The Headmaster, who is responsible for the quality of education, spends half of the time making sure there are enough vegetables and fruits in the kitchen for mid day meals. 2.) He is sent for 3 months on BLP duty by govt. and no one cares what will happen to the children left behind. 3.) During UP board exams, teachers are sent a month before the exams. And children from govt. schools appearing for boards are left with no teachers just before the exam. 4.) There is no standard of sanitation. Irrespective of the no. of students in the school there is just one toilet (each for girls and boys) and there is no allotment of a sweeper. Moreover, there is no toilet allotment for teachers too. 5.) There are two rooms and an open veranda, no gate for the school and a 2 ft high boundary wall in this temple of education. What is one supposed to do with the “tech investment”, when majority of our students have to learn in such an environment.
It makes me laugh when people say that the system is working towards primary education. There is poor teacher allotment and over and above that there are many issues: 1.) The Headmaster, who is responsible for the quality of education, spends half of the time making sure there are enough vegetables


Annie Namala , Work with centre for social equity and inclus Sep, 08 2016


I agree that we are chasing wrong priorities and processes in our education system with no accountability to actual education outcomes.


Dr Madhuri , I am a learner Sep, 08 2016


Our govt schools have Beena total failure


Annie Namala , Work with centre for social equity and inclus Sep, 08 2016


As said the KVs are very good. They are good because they cater to well off children and there is accountability there. The lack of accountability is to the poor in this country though they contribute a good amount of GDP


mmpant , Prof. M M Pant (www.mmpant.net) is pursuin Sep, 08 2016


Not all Government Schools. The Kendriya Vidyalayas are very good, and so are Navodaya and Pratibha Vidyalayas. It is all a matter of will.

Some of the best Institutes of India like the IITs, IIMs ... are high quality Givernment Institutions. So it is not axiomatic that Givernment has to be bad.

Yes, I agree that by and large they are bad. Who is responsible ... the bureaucrats and the politicians.

The Allahabad a High Court had suggested somewhere that all persons who get salary from the Givernment must be required to send their children to Government Schools, and that could improve their quality.

Not all Government Schools. The Kendriya Vidyalayas are very good, and so are Navodaya and Pratibha Vidyalayas. It is all a matter of will.Some of the best Institutes of India like the IITs, IIMs ... are high quality Givernment Institutions. So it is not axiomatic that Givernment has to be bad.Yes,


Ashima Singh , Exploring Sep, 08 2016


That's a potentially effective approach. When they see what their effort, or lack thereof, is subjecting the children t, first-hand, maybe the push for improvement would get triggered. Didn't expect our judicial system to come up with such an unconventional approach!


Bharti Mishra , President's Award winner, Teacher for over 3 Sep, 08 2016


IITs, IIMs, Kendriya and Navoday vidyalay sure have been good. But the primary school which reaches out the massive BoP children are way behind anything which can be called education.

System bheek de rha in bacchon ko siksha ke naam pe



Lohit Sahu , Educationist | Entrepreneur | Artist Sep, 08 2016


Do you think it would help if we brought automation in teaching learning process, where govt doesn't need to invest on anything apart from the building they would provide to accommodate these students? The intent is to standardise the content, delivery system and engagement with students so that it doesn't depend on the quality of the teacher and removes the need of a supervisor. Do you think this would work?
Do you think it would help if we brought automation in teaching learning process, where govt doesn't need to invest on anything apart from the building they would provide to accommodate these students? The intent is to standardise the content, delivery system and engagement with students so that it


Ruvneet Bains , Assessment expert and teacher trainer; adviso Sep, 08 2016


i believe it would work - we need radical solutions. suggest that we separate the literacy from skill development in school education. automate literacy, personalise skill development keep it almost apprenticeship model. too radical?


Shashank Sharma , I'm currently working as an Editor and a Free Sep, 08 2016


Currently I am taking a tour of UP for documenting UNICEF's work with the Polio vaccine in UP. One of the highlights of my trip has been learning about how the government schemes are implemented in the field.

I already knew that there is poor implementation of schemes in MCD schools in Delhi, the teachers aren't motivated, don't teach and generally don't care. They are government employees there for the security and the salary. The only reason they do any work is so the inspections go just fine.

In UP, the situation is worse. While a school in Delhi might at least end up education a few children, in many areas in UP, schools don't open till 10-11am, the time when the teachers and the peons finally deem it fit to arrive. Even when they are in school, there is no teaching done.

I learnt that the government ran a scheme called Shiksha Mitra, whereby the Village Education Committee can elect a para-teacher, someone who has cleared Intermediate or Higher Secondary exams. What is really happening is the indiscriminate hiring of illiterate people being paid a monthly stipend of Rs. 28,000/month and also protests to take it up to 32,000/month.

Even if India, instead of thinking of new and creative things to do in education, just bolstered its current capacity, and ensured that the system ran efficiently and responsibly, we would be closer to reaching our targets.

Currently I am taking a tour of UP for documenting UNICEF's work with the Polio vaccine in UP. One of the highlights of my trip has been learning about how the government schemes are implemented in the field.I already knew that there is poor implementation of schemes in MCD schools in Delhi, the tea


Annie Namala , Work with centre for social equity and inclus Sep, 08 2016


Teaching learning is a dynamic process where many more things happen. Automation does not make it creative. Children need to engage with others to learn. Studies show that learning takes place in the engagement and negotiations


Lohit Sahu , Educationist | Entrepreneur | Artist Sep, 08 2016


Well, automation doesn't really have to be standalone. Think of facebook, or this platform for example. We are still interacting, but look at all the money we've saved not traveling and booking a hotel for a similar panel discussion. Even more, in this case we all can put forward our points at the same time unlike a traditional panel discussion. still against tech to standardize?
Well, automation doesn't really have to be standalone. Think of facebook, or this platform for example. We are still interacting, but look at all the money we've saved not traveling and booking a hotel for a similar panel discussion. Even more, in this case we all can put forward our points at the s


Bharti Mishra , President's Award winner, Teacher for over 3 Sep, 08 2016


Lohit, its a great idea, but some thing very basic is missing. Maybe the whole essence or importance of education and literacy is missing.

I would still like to learn how can technology help BoP children.



Lohit Sahu , Educationist | Entrepreneur | Artist Sep, 08 2016


Oh well, when I say automation, it doesn't necessarily mean machines, but a self-sustainable system intelligently crafted to ensure no leakage. To fit in this context, the current system doesn't account for the Headmaster's other responsibilities that leads to chaos. Now govt. might cite lack of funds, which opens the doors to a completely new debate on budgets. Whereas, an automated system WOULD find an answer to the lack of funds with the current budget and ensure accountability for every employee.
Oh well, when I say automation, it doesn't necessarily mean machines, but a self-sustainable system intelligently crafted to ensure no leakage. To fit in this context, the current system doesn't account for the Headmaster's other responsibilities that leads to chaos. Now govt. might cite lack of fun


Ashima Singh , Exploring Sep, 08 2016


In a Utopian world, maybe. There are a lot of factors to overcome, besides the quality of content. For a majority of the poor students, the roadblock isn't the quality of teachers, but the prevalent inertia present in their own households. I believe that a teacher can still manage to bridge that gap and make the parents see the value of education. No automation can work as well as human persuasion.
In a Utopian world, maybe. There are a lot of factors to overcome, besides the quality of content. For a majority of the poor students, the roadblock isn't the quality of teachers, but the prevalent inertia present in their own households. I believe that a teacher can still manage to bridge that gap


mmpant , Prof. M M Pant (www.mmpant.net) is pursuin Sep, 08 2016


The general principle is if machines can do a better job than the present human being doing it, by all means replace it with a machine.

But good quality eucational which nurtures and develop the mind cannot today be done by machines, and needs a good human teacher.

What automation can do is to make sure that certain things happen so that the learner can learn more by himself, without the negative influence of a bad teacher.

The general principle is if machines can do a better job than the present human being doing it, by all means replace it with a machine.But good quality eucational which nurtures and develop the mind cannot today be done by machines, and needs a good human teacher.What automation can do is to make su


Bharti Mishra , President's Award winner, Teacher for over 3 Sep, 08 2016


What is your view on thousands of govt schools reaching out to millions of children, deprived of any kind of support?

Can automation/technology do any good to them. And if we really want to build an egalitarian society isn't this the first problem we need to solve?



Vikram Gupta , Exploring, learning, believing Sep, 08 2016


These are some shocking points! Didn't know the situation is this dire in our public schools. You're right, there is no way in which any tech. revolution can remedy this. Why are we so incompetent when it comes to public administration? People in the United States swear by public education, where private education is almost considered as a luxury rather than a necessity, as it is here.
These are some shocking points! Didn't know the situation is this dire in our public schools. You're right, there is no way in which any tech. revolution can remedy this. Why are we so incompetent when it comes to public administration? People in the United States swear by public education, where pr


Meghna Rakshit , Director, Communications Teach For India Sep, 08 2016


This is a problem with multiple layers of complexity from teacher absenteeism to teacher quality to infrastructure in schools to curriculum etc. But at the heart of the problem lies a lack of leadership. I really believe that for we can get the right people involved and invested in solving for our educational problem, the country will be in a much better place.


That's why I think finding the right people - encouraging the youth of our country to tackle these areas head on is critically important. And then equipping them and supporting them as enablers and facilitators.

This is a problem with multiple layers of complexity from teacher absenteeism to teacher quality to infrastructure in schools to curriculum etc. But at the heart of the problem lies a lack of leadership. I really believe that for we can get the right people involved and invested in solving for our e


Annie Namala , Work with centre for social equity and inclus Sep, 08 2016


I agree that education leadership is very important. We need to also invest in youth to become part of the process as they can bridge the gap between the children and the existing system


mmpant , Prof. M M Pant (www.mmpant.net) is pursuin Sep, 08 2016


Annie, one of the new thoughts that are being tried is that of encouraging the leadership trait in all teachers, so that they perceive themselves as agents of change. Systematic ways of making this happen is the way forward.


Kalpita Kshirsagar , Educator in a public school Sep, 08 2016


We need experienced educators at the level of policy making. Right now we are in a system with only administrators making decisions. We need a partnership between good educators and good administrators.


Annie Namala , Work with centre for social equity and inclus Sep, 08 2016


Agree that education direction and policies need to be made by people who understand education and care for educating all. It is not management of system alone


Vikram Gupta , Exploring, learning, believing Sep, 08 2016


I agree with you. But how do we draw the brightest minds towards this problem? I might not be too optimistic while saying this, but we need to incentivize such career paths somehow. Probably more money being pumped into leadership positions or just by making the selection procedure competitive? We Indians flock towards anything that is tough and highly selective- we treat that selection as a form of success in itself.
I agree with you. But how do we draw the brightest minds towards this problem? I might not be too optimistic while saying this, but we need to incentivize such career paths somehow. Probably more money being pumped into leadership positions or just by making the selection procedure competitive? We I


Meghna Rakshit , Director, Communications Teach For India Sep, 08 2016


We need to show impact. Organisations in the ed space need to show what's possible and facilitate that leadership journey for the youth. I read a youth study recently that said that the some of the key things they are concerned with are their future, opportunity to excel, doing something purposeful and being a pet of influential networks. If we can present opportunities that are challenging, meaningful, builds their own growth and leadership and with credibility - those are strong incentives. Even more than money. This generation of youth are driven by those more.
We need to show impact. Organisations in the ed space need to show what's possible and facilitate that leadership journey for the youth. I read a youth study recently that said that the some of the key things they are concerned with are their future, opportunity to excel, doing something purposeful


mmpant , Prof. M M Pant (www.mmpant.net) is pursuin Sep, 08 2016


There is huge amount of research that demonstrates that the single largest factor for better learning is a good teacher. But what is new is that while there are born teachers, teaching can also be learnt, just like engineering, law, or medicine. The Economist dated June 11th 2016, has very readable articles on this. Sir John Daniel in a talk had responded to this question of ' how do we recruit and train 10 million teachers'.

My view on this is to transform teaching from an employee only status to the status of a full professional who can function in many different ways.

There is huge amount of research that demonstrates that the single largest factor for better learning is a good teacher. But what is new is that while there are born teachers, teaching can also be learnt, just like engineering, law, or medicine. The Economist dated June 11th 2016, has very readable


Bharti Mishra , President's Award winner, Teacher for over 3 Sep, 08 2016


For govt. schools, it is next to impossible to recruit motivated teachers. The system is leaving no stone un-turned to kill the motivation. Any inspired teacher's soul cries when they fight hard against the system to realize everyone, including the children's parents, are against their education.

In India education is available only to those who have the purchasing power to buy it.

For govt. schools, it is next to impossible to recruit motivated teachers. The system is leaving no stone un-turned to kill the motivation. Any inspired teacher's soul cries when they fight hard against the system to realize everyone, including the children's parents, are against their education.In


Ashima Singh , Exploring Sep, 08 2016


But Ma'am then how do you explain the remarkable success of Anand Kumar's Super 30? Surely there's a possibility that a passionate and determined teacher can cut through the muck of our systems and make a lasting impact on students' lives.


Sudhanshu , Live and let live Sep, 08 2016


We have made a joke of an entire generation by focusing mindlessly only on achieving targets of enrollment & retention rates but not concentrating on the quality of education. ASER studies have shown that a high percentage of middle & higher classes of govt schools are unable to solve basic math problems like simple addition, subtraction & are fail to read from their books. Our school system has been unchanged since colonial times & is still designed to produce clerks.


But I will not mind achieving targets in 50 years provided quality education provided to us is equitable, inclusive & par with new world standards.

We have made a joke of an entire generation by focusing mindlessly only on achieving targets of enrollment & retention rates but not concentrating on the quality of education. ASER studies have shown that a high percentage of middle & higher classes of govt schools are unable to solve basic


Kalpita Kshirsagar , Educator in a public school Sep, 08 2016


Adding to that, only teaching a child to add or read is not enough. Are we as a system teaching the child to channelise his/her thinking in the right way? Are we bridging the gap between his/her schooling and practical life? we do not need to only focus on creating clerks, doctors and MBAs, We need to look at the human element and see what kind of individuals we are hoping to build through these policies.

Adding to that, only teaching a child to add or read is not enough. Are we as a system teaching the child to channelise his/her thinking in the right way? Are we bridging the gap between his/her schooling and practical life? we do not need to only focus on creating clerks, doctors and MBAs, We need


mmpant , Prof. M M Pant (www.mmpant.net) is pursuin Sep, 08 2016


UNESCO is imaging a linear model to continue for another century since its inception.

In the last few years, the meaning of education has changed and the world for which we are educating is changing. UNESCO should first articulate the meaning of School, College, University and life-long learning in operational terms ( the jargon of SMART goals) in a world of Bug Data, Robots and Drones, Blockchains and Machine Intelligence.

Actually our Department of Science and Technology through TIFAC has done better in its vision 2035 report ( endorsed by the PM) to say that Schools Colleges and Universities as currently constituted will be redundant in 2035.

With launch of Reliance Jio, you do not have to create the traditional Schools or use the B.Ed trained teacher to educate for the future. We are quite capable of doing a different model.

We had introduced the decimal system in currency and measures long before UK and many other developed countries did. So we can do better.

UNESCO is imaging a linear model to continue for another century since its inception.In the last few years, the meaning of education has changed and the world for which we are educating is changing. UNESCO should first articulate the meaning of School, College, University and life-long learning in o


Annie Namala , Work with centre for social equity and inclus Sep, 08 2016


Whatever developments the country is making we need to recognise that a large chunk is not reaching it. They need facilitated space and engagements to participate and contribute


Avnita Bir , Educator Sep, 08 2016


We need new models of training, educating in the age we live in. Incremental change is not ienough.


Ruvneet Bains , Assessment expert and teacher trainer; adviso Sep, 08 2016


Agree with you, Avnita, no point scaling up the outdated. is anyone in policy listening? or are we going to go from yes CCE to no CCE to ??


Annie Namala , Work with centre for social equity and inclus Sep, 08 2016


The current model of deficit theory will not work. We can use insights from experiential education models to improve the system. I have seen wonders through this process where a person is encouraged to build up learning from their own experiences


Ashima Singh , Exploring Sep, 08 2016


But aren't we doing absolutely nothing by aiming for a 'big bang' change? Probably the answer lies in periodic incremental steps instead of waiting for a revolutionary change.


mmpant , Prof. M M Pant (www.mmpant.net) is pursuin Sep, 08 2016


As Avnita has suggested, we have to prepare for a future world which is very different from the past. The key difference is that we are moving very rapidly from an information scare E society to an information rich society. In an information scarce society, God memory and rote learning ability was the competitive advantage.

In an information abundant society, complex problem solving, creative thinking, critical thinking, cognitive flexibility and computational thinking become the skills for prospering and flourishing. The new Darwinism.

As Avnita has suggested, we have to prepare for a future world which is very different from the past. The key difference is that we are moving very rapidly from an information scare E society to an information rich society. In an information scarce society, God memory and rote learning ability was t


Avnita Bir , Educator Sep, 08 2016


Absolutely. Our present system does not encourage any of these skills. Instead of technology for frill value, we need to focus on using tech for developing 21st century skills. It's not about hardware or software. It's about leveraging tech for improving the learning process.


Kalpita Kshirsagar , Educator in a public school Sep, 08 2016


It wouldn't be a bad idea to keep these goals as a guideline, but also remember that a lot more can be achieved quality wise. And also we have to consider the dynamics of our country- social, cultural, economical, political and most importantly population wise.


Suhani Singh , Inquisitive snobbish arrogant. I am Golum and Sep, 08 2016


Here's what I find weird:

As UN's Education arm, UNESCO will advocate huge investments to meet education goals.

As UN's health arm, WHO will advocate an avalanche of spending to fight off imminent epidemics.

As UN's trade arm, UNCTAD will advocate opening up the entire economy and reducing all taxes on international trade.

The World Bank will urge GoI to invest heavily in public infrastructure, and get everything done ASAP.

And so on, so on. There is no source for a holistic solution. At each issue brought up this far, from education to OROP, the highest comment has simply been "we need to spend more".

Here's what I find weird:As UN's Education arm, UNESCO will advocate huge investments to meet education goals.As UN's health arm, WHO will advocate an avalanche of spending to fight off imminent epidemics.As UN's trade arm, UNCTAD will advocate opening up the entire economy and reducing all taxes on


mmpant , Prof. M M Pant (www.mmpant.net) is pursuin Sep, 08 2016


Not only that Suhani. Actually the link to the summary report has a statement " The world is expected to be half a century behind in achieving the SDG 2030 deadline as regard to education.". If the whole world is 50 years behind after a one year period, why did they make such unrealistic goals. Isn't planning expected to be realistic? In the famous SMART acronym for goals, A is for achievable, attainable ....
Not only that Suhani. Actually the link to the summary report has a statement " The world is expected to be half a century behind in achieving the SDG 2030 deadline as regard to education.". If the whole world is 50 years behind after a one year period, why did they make such unrealistic goals. Isn'


Bharti Mishra , President's Award winner, Teacher for over 3 Sep, 08 2016



For education of poor, India is worse than Nepal in relative terms. And way we behind what education should be in absolute terms.



Rohit pande , Have a view on many things but happy to thras Sep, 08 2016


Madame, the largest malaise has come from the politics of this country and the largest change shall also come from within there. Quality state education at primary levels has to be bartered with the vote


Annie Namala , Work with centre for social equity and inclus Sep, 08 2016


I also think the caste system which creates a mindset of wanting to exclude others and not integrate across caste boundaries is a major reason for many of our current ills including poor education


Kalpita Kshirsagar , Educator in a public school Sep, 08 2016


Yes, absolutely. We need an in depth understanding of how should the money be spent. all discussion seem to stop at 'more finances need to be brought in'.


Sudhanshu , Live and let live Sep, 08 2016


Finances are not at all the reason we lack so behind in education. About Rs.69,074 crore was allocated for education in 2015-16. Out of the total outlay for 2015-16, Rs.42,219 crore was pegged for the school sector and Rs.26,855 crore for higher education.

Its not the money that is the cause, rather the stagnation in education and the quality of educators because of which we are lacking so behind!

Finances are not at all the reason we lack so behind in education. About Rs.69,074 crore was allocated for education in 2015-16. Out of the total outlay for 2015-16, Rs.42,219 crore was pegged for the school sector and Rs.26,855 crore for higher education.Its not the money that is the cause, rather


Kalpita Kshirsagar , Educator in a public school Sep, 08 2016


I also think that the way people look at education in rural areas is also one of the major issues here. Education is still a luxury for children in certain areas. This outlook towards education and schooling also needs to change and only government policies can bring about this kind of change.


Ashima Singh , Exploring Sep, 08 2016


But is 'more money' the all-corrective solution? It just seems like the easiest way to hide inaction on a lot of fronts. The ieology behind securing education needs a radical shift. We're all conditioned to study, in order to become engineers, doctors, chartered accountants, but what after that? How do we make a recognizable dent if we just aspire to be a part of the herd? Education approach needs to change too!
But is 'more money' the all-corrective solution? It just seems like the easiest way to hide inaction on a lot of fronts. The ieology behind securing education needs a radical shift. We're all conditioned to study, in order to become engineers, doctors, chartered accountants, but what after that? How


Avnita Bir , Educator Sep, 08 2016


Education needs to be redefined. We have to learn from other sectors how they are dealing with exponential change.


mmpant , Prof. M M Pant (www.mmpant.net) is pursuin Sep, 08 2016


Yes Avnita. Education could learn a lot from healthcare. And that us what I have said elsewhere like doctors can work in various settings and provide healthcare: in a Givernment hospital, a corporate hospital or at their own clinic, a qualified educator should be able to do the same. We have this awkward condition of large number of potential educators who could teach being available and a very large number who want to learn but need not fulfilled because of rigid regulation. Innovations in education needed urgently.
Yes Avnita. Education could learn a lot from healthcare. And that us what I have said elsewhere like doctors can work in various settings and provide healthcare: in a Givernment hospital, a corporate hospital or at their own clinic, a qualified educator should be able to do the same. We have this aw


Avnita Bir , Educator Sep, 08 2016


One of our very good teachers had to leave the city due to her husband's transfer. We trained her on Skype and she has been teaching from Chennai for the last four years. Her classes are most sought after and the results have been fabulous.


mmpant , Prof. M M Pant (www.mmpant.net) is pursuin Sep, 08 2016


We will see that more often in the future. As they say Geography would become History and good teachers would be teaching from wherever in the world they may be.


Ruvneet Bains , Assessment expert and teacher trainer; adviso Sep, 08 2016


fantastic - here's a working model.


Bharti Mishra , President's Award winner, Teacher for over 3 Sep, 08 2016


Redefinition has to be elaborated as well. Working in a public school for years has convinced me that we are collectively killing every possibility of giving rural or poor kids education. I have seen my girl students being sold by their parents, beaten and scared by their mothers when they fight to go to school, I found that 7 of my students were working in MNREGA during the night, as I found these guys always drained out. When I complained about these things, I was threatened by an official, threatened for my life.

The reality is much worse than the buzz words we use to enhance it.

Redefinition has to be elaborated as well. Working in a public school for years has convinced me that we are collectively killing every possibility of giving rural or poor kids education. I have seen my girl students being sold by their parents, beaten and scared by their mothers when they fight to