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India-Pakistan

Rohit pande , Have a view on many things but happy to thras Sep, 29 2016

Has Mr Modi redeemed the entire 56 inches of his chest and silenced critics ?


The overnight strikes being revealed by the army do bring some closure to the hysteria of last fortnight or so.


the bigger questions


Does this mean advantage Mr Modi in the nationalism debate and benefits in state elections


and more importantly, how would Pakistan retaliate. I guess thats whats keeping the Indian stock market edgy

The overnight strikes being revealed by the army do bring some closure to the hysteria of last fortnight or so. the bigger questionsDoes this mean advantage Mr Modi in the nationalism debate and benefits in state electionsand more importantly, how would Pakistan retaliate. I guess thats whats keeping the Indian stock market edgy

Anuja pathi , Indian who is an NRI interested in Indian an Sep, 29 2016


I am against war I said that previously on this forum . I believed strong diplomatic steps he was taking were good enough. Today's strikes took me by surprise. I must say I am pleasantly delighted . Why did DGMO. declare it because we wanted to both Pakistan and its friends like USA and China know that we mean business. Why did Pakistan deny because if they say Indians entered then they have to agree there were terrorist camps there. First they said it was only cross border firing which killed 2 soldiers. When nawaz slipped and said it was aggression then they agreed they crossed but only killed 2 soldiers. That are confused and did not know how to react.

Pakistan never expected it hence there was an element of surprise. We are prepared. HM is moving citizens 10 km into line of control.

Everyone wants to give army credit. But army was always capable . Even after 26/11 it was not used . I think it depends on the leader. I don't think Pakistan will strike . West and definitely China will intervene even it stupidly wants to strike . You must realize there is advantage for the fellow who slaps first . Second fellow will be stopped by people around.

Good this happened fed up being a soft state taking crap from everyone around. I see people are saying it is PR exercise. No idiot will bet his whole political career on something like this , Because if something goes wrong Modis neck is on line . I think he weighed all pros and cons and did what he always said he will do . I think they know there will not be any retaliation looking at their relaxed faces . You wanted a decisive leader. There you go you got one .

I am against war I said that previously on this forum . I believed strong diplomatic steps he was taking were good enough. Today's strikes took me by surprise. I must say I am pleasantly delighted . Why did DGMO. declare it because we wanted to both Pakistan and its friends like USA and China know t


Vivek Sharma , Pursuing Msc. Physics at IIT D Sep, 30 2016


I enjoy reading your opinions. But what if this converts to retaliation and India goes to a 2 front war with Pak China.

Bigger question is are we prepared to fight China, we are confident with Pakistan.

Also would like you on What reasons Pakistan have to deny the possibility of surgical attacks. - AwareMonk too

I enjoy reading your opinions. But what if this converts to retaliation and India goes to a 2 front war with Pak China. Bigger question is are we prepared to fight China, we are confident with Pakistan.Also would like you on What reasons Pakistan have to deny the possibility of surgical attacks. - A


Anuja pathi , Indian who is an NRI interested in Indian an Sep, 30 2016


I don't think there will be a war. That's why denial. They are in no position to do war with anyone. Their army is really stretched between west and east borders . And lot of army is engaged in internal conflict. There is no way they can win a conventional war . Nuclear war is no joke . It affect whole world . All economies will be affected. Oil prices will go up. World will never let it happen. Nukes are for preventing war . Pakistan is a rabid country uses them to threaten neighbors.

This doesn't mean they will not increase covert operations. Intelligence should be alert. Then again even if we dint do this operation would Pakistan spare us the pain. So let us go down or up giving them hell. You need to understand china always encourages Pakistan to do war but never dirties it hands . Not in 65 or 71. Not definitely with nuclear weapons in equation. China dint come so far to loose it all in a war which is not its . Remember this is Asia not Middle East .

I don't think there will be a war. That's why denial. They are in no position to do war with anyone. Their army is really stretched between west and east borders . And lot of army is engaged in internal conflict. There is no way they can win a conventional war . Nuclear war is no joke . It affect wh


Rohit pande , Have a view on many things but happy to thras Sep, 30 2016


But I am scared, I see the writing on the wall on retribution. Of course I hope it does not happen, but my reason tells me that it would be impossible for Pakistan establishment not to respond ( and Mr Hafiz et al would have their own plans ). besides Indian media would keep rubbing it in till they get their next TRP moment. To say, we must be alert, is like theoretical.
But I am scared, I see the writing on the wall on retribution. Of course I hope it does not happen, but my reason tells me that it would be impossible for Pakistan establishment not to respond ( and Mr Hafiz et al would have their own plans ). besides Indian media would keep rubbing it in till they


Aman Rawal , Geek by profession, Deep interest in science Sep, 29 2016


I understand the need to disrupt terrorist bases when Pakistan won't do it themselves.

But man, I hope this doesn't escalate. If Pakistan wants to save face by pretending it didn't happen India should just go with it If the terrorist bases are destroyed and the terrorists themselves dead that good enough. They admitted they did it (they were invading another country after all, not something taken lightly!), great, now let it be. If Pakistan wants to quietly sweep it under the rug, outstanding.

No need to rub anything in Pakistan's face and get things escalating into a shooting war between 2 nuclear armed nations.

I understand the need to disrupt terrorist bases when Pakistan won't do it themselves. But man, I hope this doesn't escalate. If Pakistan wants to save face by pretending it didn't happen India should just go with it If the terrorist bases are destroyed and the terrorists themselves dead that good e


Rohit pande , Have a view on many things but happy to thras Sep, 29 2016


agree, but you wait how this would be amplified. And India's reel warriors in TV studios in army fatigues shall rub it in. It seems firecrackers in BJP offices. The whole point is that to whatever extent this happened, the real battle of amplification and attempts to appropriate it as a historic victory would definitely take it to a point of no-return. Or am I missing something here ? Wouldn't the whole idea be to nettle Pakistan till they are forced to show action to their people to justify the very existence of their state. That state exists on the principle of India hatred and lack of response shall weaken its very foundations.
agree, but you wait how this would be amplified. And India's reel warriors in TV studios in army fatigues shall rub it in. It seems firecrackers in BJP offices. The whole point is that to whatever extent this happened, the real battle of amplification and attempts to appropriate it as a historic vic


Aman Rawal , Geek by profession, Deep interest in science Sep, 29 2016


They are 2 sides to it. One being BJPs short term victory and PR around it and second is going to be the real war.

No doubt there will be people shouting at the top of their voices on TimesNow. I fail to understand how they get so much energy.

But think tank will not be interested in this they will be looking at the situation more deeply.

And both these points are justified.

They are 2 sides to it. One being BJPs short term victory and PR around it and second is going to be the real war. No doubt there will be people shouting at the top of their voices on TimesNow. I fail to understand how they get so much energy.But think tank will not be interested in this they will b


Rohit pande , Have a view on many things but happy to thras Sep, 29 2016


Yes, its historic for India to pull this off and hats off to the commandos ( I myself think 90 % it did happen and Pakistan is underplaying it ) - http://www.dawn.com/news/1286881/army-rubbishes-indian-surgical-strikes-claim-as-two-pakistani-soldiers-killed-at-loc


But equally its not a celebration moment yet, but a moment to watch and guard and to make sure one gets China and US to put pressure on Pakistan to not begin a cycle of violence but to take the intended message.

Yes, its historic for India to pull this off and hats off to the commandos ( I myself think 90 % it did happen and Pakistan is underplaying it ) - http://www.dawn.com/news/1286881/army-rubbishes-indian-surgical-strikes-claim-as-two-pakistani-soldiers-killed-at-locBut equally its not a celebration mo


Nilesh Pathak , Pursuing MS, CMU Sep, 29 2016


This has been a long time coming. I am a pacifist at heart but the list of attacks originating from Pakistan has been growing alarmingly.. Mumbai train bombs, 26/11, Parliament Attack, Uri attack, Pathankot.. India has been restrained for years. No other country would have put up with this sort of terrorism with wnough evidence linking it to a neighbor. Even when pakistan occupied Indian territory in Kargil, They did not cross the LOC to cut off the supply lines to ensure there was no escalation. However sometimes you need to brandish your stick if the carrot is not working. Hoping this does not escalate any further and Pakistan decides to give up on these cross border adventures.
This has been a long time coming. I am a pacifist at heart but the list of attacks originating from Pakistan has been growing alarmingly.. Mumbai train bombs, 26/11, Parliament Attack, Uri attack, Pathankot.. India has been restrained for years. No other country would have put up with this sort of t


Rohit pande , Have a view on many things but happy to thras Sep, 29 2016


Isn't your last sentence pure hope. Are you saying Pakistan would be scared now ? Surely if China and US can impress upon it to lie low, but would they ?


Mayank Tiwari , Engineer. UPSC aspirant. Sep, 29 2016


I consider myself a pacifist. One of the best martial artists I've ever know also considers himself as such. Not verbatim, but this is what he told me once when I asked about how he reconciled the two. "A man who does nothing when good people are getting hurt is no true pacifist. By doing nothing, he is allowing pain and violence to occur under his care. A true pacifist hates violence, but understands that force is at times the only option to prevent more from occurring."
I consider myself a pacifist. One of the best martial artists I've ever know also considers himself as such. Not verbatim, but this is what he told me once when I asked about how he reconciled the two. "A man who does nothing when good people are getting hurt is no true pacifist. By doing nothing, h


Shantanu Kothuri , Proud BITSian, [email protected] Sep, 29 2016


One of the major hindu scriptures, the Bhagavad Gita is a text with a premise on the dilemma of Arjuna hesitating to go to war with the Kauravas(his cousin brothers). The whole book is an ethical/philosophical commentary given by Lord Krishna to convince him to defeat them for the greater good.

This book is a part of the events that occur in the Hindu mythological epic The Mahabharata.

One of the major hindu scriptures, the Bhagavad Gita is a text with a premise on the dilemma of Arjuna hesitating to go to war with the Kauravas(his cousin brothers). The whole book is an ethical/philosophical commentary given by Lord Krishna to convince him to defeat them for the greater good. This


Vivek , Wonder Sep, 29 2016


Look around you, look at the media, the social media, everywhere there is a sense of victory without loosing a single soldier or having any negative effect on the economy. Everyone is appreciating this attack and calling it a much needed reply to Pakistan. This sense of cheer, happiness, excitement, boastfulness is the answer to your question.

Yes Mr. Modi has very strategically redeemed himself!

Look around you, look at the media, the social media, everywhere there is a sense of victory without loosing a single soldier or having any negative effect on the economy. Everyone is appreciating this attack and calling it a much needed reply to Pakistan. This sense of cheer, happiness, excitement


Ashna Kaur , Engineer, Army Kid, preparing for Indian Army Sep, 29 2016


While you are celebrating this attack do you even realise what effect will it have on India's diplomatic state. Last thing what India needs is creating an image of an untamed Lion. India is still developing and with Modi's numerous foreign visits it seemed that he wanted to have good foreign diplomatic ties with everyone. With the media announcement of this, it seems like he has spoilt everything for himself. What is the need for DGMO to announce this to the public?
While you are celebrating this attack do you even realise what effect will it have on India's diplomatic state. Last thing what India needs is creating an image of an untamed Lion. India is still developing and with Modi's numerous foreign visits it seemed that he wanted to have good foreign diploma


Rohit pande , Have a view on many things but happy to thras Sep, 29 2016


Good question. The whole purpose of the attack is the PR around it. How else would the hysteria of last 2 weeks find a closure. Just hope this is indeed a closure and not the beginning of a cycle of violence



S.N Raman , learning, hope to be more aware :) PhD schola Sep, 29 2016


Pakistan is like North Korea. A stiff breeze from the East is enough for their generals to threaten nuclear war.

They're like the scrawny kid in middle school who warns others not to mess with him because he 'knows kung fu'.

And the intended audience isn't India...It's their own people. Flaming anti-India emotions at home is the only way they can pander to their people. Serves a good distraction which prevents people thinking about the state of their economy.

Pakistan is like North Korea. A stiff breeze from the East is enough for their generals to threaten nuclear war. They're like the scrawny kid in middle school who warns others not to mess with him because he 'knows kung fu'. And the intended audience isn't India...It's their own people. Flaming anti


Rohit pande , Have a view on many things but happy to thras Sep, 29 2016


Very true, but for this reason, they might be forced to show vengeance to their people. Though they have downplayed it as minor gun fire from the LOC.


Ahmed Azab , Interested in history, Political science and Sep, 29 2016


Situation is not clear yet. Pakistan has denied and called it a cross border firing. Also Pakistan Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif. said “Our desire for peace should not be interpreted as our weakness,”

Too soon to reveal 56 inch chest



Maninder Singh , AOL volunteer, Learning ways to improve farmi Sep, 29 2016


Pakistan has got no option. Politicians will be beaten there. As stated by Indian army:


"At least five terror launch pads were destroyed by the Indian Army across the LoC, according to the Army sources. And Indian Army special forces were para-dropped, they said.

The operation on terror launch pads lasted from 12:30 am till 4:30 am in a location 500 metres to 2 kilometres across the LoC.

The sources added that surgical strikes on Pakistani terror camps belonged to multiple terror groups, and no Indian casualties were reported."

Pakistan has got no option. Politicians will be beaten there. As stated by Indian army:"At least five terror launch pads were destroyed by the Indian Army across the LoC, according to the Army sources. And Indian Army special forces were para-dropped, they said. The operation on terror launch pads l


Rohit pande , Have a view on many things but happy to thras Sep, 29 2016


Bitter irony, 


Pak army sponsors attack in Uri, but denies it

India claims they have avenged, Pak says its cross border firing.



Syed Raza , In the quest of truth. Sep, 29 2016


Haha

"Pakistan has denied reports that India struck terrorist camps, assures everyone that all terrorist training camps inside Pakistan are safe.": Faking news



Rohit pande , Have a view on many things but happy to thras Sep, 29 2016


Well, this Pakistani denial is a twist in this tale. They could be distorting facts to redeem their honor, or maybe its an India side PR spin which exaggerated the facts. Tough to segregate


http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/defence/pakistanrubbishesindias-claim-of-surgical-strikes-says-it-was-cross-border-fire/articleshow/54580524.cms/">http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/defence/pakistanrubbishesindias-claim-of-surgical-strikes-says-it-was-cross-border-fire/articleshow/54580524.cms



Rahul Gupta , Techie by education, writer by profession, cu Sep, 29 2016


This is not the best language to discuss the situation. You are not an outsider Rohit ,are you? We as Indians have been suffering from over a decade from this proxy war, ask people who have lost their loved ones. Its not about any individual's prestige or his humiliation. Its about living as a peaceful, developing society under no threat.
This is not the best language to discuss the situation. You are not an outsider Rohit ,are you? We as Indians have been suffering from over a decade from this proxy war, ask people who have lost their loved ones. Its not about any individual's prestige or his humiliation. Its about living as a peace


Rohit pande , Have a view on many things but happy to thras Sep, 29 2016


But this is a sombre moment too. As the risk of retaliation is large. Tit for tat policies can have fatal repercussions too. We can only hope and pray for the best. The problem with Pakistan is that its military class has to avenge the humiliation for the continuation of their own hegemony on that society. This is a double edged moment for sure - a sense of closure for many, but equally a sense of nervous apprehension for many others
But this is a sombre moment too. As the risk of retaliation is large. Tit for tat policies can have fatal repercussions too. We can only hope and pray for the best. The problem with Pakistan is that its military class has to avenge the humiliation for the continuation of their own hegemony on that s


Rahul Gupta , Techie by education, writer by profession, cu Sep, 29 2016


Trust the men in uniform. Trust the people who have been working day in and day out and patiently heard every kind of criticism and took more than a week to respond.

There is a reason why army took so long to retaliate.



Rohit pande , Have a view on many things but happy to thras Sep, 29 2016


To worry about escalation would be a natural reaction of many citizens just as many would feel a sense of closure from the attacks. Its not about either mistrusting or dis-respecting the men in uniform, but more about wondering nervously what form shall the retaliation take - an upfront army action like the Indians did honorably or another horrible covert terrorist strike on innocents. One would be surprised if there is none. Happy to hear what others think on this specific point
To worry about escalation would be a natural reaction of many citizens just as many would feel a sense of closure from the attacks. Its not about either mistrusting or dis-respecting the men in uniform, but more about wondering nervously what form shall the retaliation take - an upfront army action


Rajshekhar , student at BITS goa. I am here to learn. Sep, 29 2016


This is a very valid point. What happened in mumbai a few days back, when children saw some people planning an operation.

Sea security has been increased too.

I have full faith on men in army and our intelligence but the fact is we have suffered way too many attacks by now. They might still carry on with their proxy war.

We need to be worried because there are people inside the borders of our country itself who can carry out the operation for them

This is a very valid point. What happened in mumbai a few days back, when children saw some people planning an operation.Sea security has been increased too.I have full faith on men in army and our intelligence but the fact is we have suffered way too many attacks by now. They might still carry on w


Ganesh Honakeri , Techie. Bangalorean. Music lover Sep, 29 2016


This is uri avenged. Crossing LoC just the after the day of calling off SARC summit is a brilliant move. Doval-Modi is a genius combination experience and wisdom and the best to fight Pakistan back.

Its not about Modi's 56 inch chest its now about our own security about our own self respect.



Nupur Agrawal , On a spiritual journey of solitude. Sep, 29 2016


Totally. Things take their own sweet time.

If you see army has been very happy with what this govt has been doing. Diplomatic success is now in front of everyone.