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Kashmir

Place to discuss Kashmir issue, in a civil manner

Praveen Sharma , Just another developer | Learning History | W Sep, 04 2016

All party delegation at Kashmir: mere formality or can we expect something substantial?


To me this seems like more a PR event than a substantial talk process. What exactly are our MPs going to discuss with likes of Hurriyat?

Geelani & Co. have made it clear they want change in status quo, which mean either complete independence or more autonomy. Both these prospect are harmful for Union of India. Which begs the question, what exactly is government hoping to achieve ?

To me this seems like more a PR event than a substantial talk process. What exactly are our MPs going to discuss with likes of Hurriyat?Geelani & Co. have made it clear they want change in status quo, which mean either complete independence or more autonomy. Both these prospect are harmful for Union of India. Which begs the question, what exactly is government hoping to achieve ?

Ashima Singh , Exploring Sep, 05 2016


Such promotion of an all-party delegation being sent only adds to the notion that the government is just trying to portray a picture, rather than constructively do something about the issue. Further, Syed Ali Shah Geelani's refusal to meet with the delegation, on Mehbooba's request, further shows the futility of such a delegation. Some hard decisions need to be taken to resolve the issue, not meek delegations which bear a resemblance to the futil peace summit talks with Pakistani leaders. It's all a publicity stunt.
Such promotion of an all-party delegation being sent only adds to the notion that the government is just trying to portray a picture, rather than constructively do something about the issue. Further, Syed Ali Shah Geelani's refusal to meet with the delegation, on Mehbooba's request, further shows th


Anuja pathi , Indian who is an NRI interested in Indian an Sep, 05 2016


I don't think delegation was governments idea . When they had a debate in rajyasaba it was opposition who was insisting on this delegation. Especially seetaram yechuri. Probably those communists think Kashmir is a small issue they can go talk with separatist and solve the problem. I think Modi sent them to get them off his back . Now what can they say in the parliament can they say that Modi is not solving the problem when they themselves could not do anything.


But leave the MPs alone government should have a plan and road map . And it starts with removing the army in a incremental mental manner. That will definitely reduce the anger and reinstate trust .

I don't think delegation was governments idea . When they had a debate in rajyasaba it was opposition who was insisting on this delegation. Especially seetaram yechuri. Probably those communists think Kashmir is a small issue they can go talk with separatist and solve the problem. I think Modi sent


Vikram Gupta , Exploring, learning, believing Sep, 05 2016


This is such a separatist ideology in itself. Why would you want to show everything the government does in a negative light? Fine, worst case scenario- maybe the delegation won't yield any result, but why doubt the intention at every step? In a purely logical and political sense, it only makes sense for the government to do something about this issue since it's gained nationwide attention. They might be miserably failing at it, but faking intent is going to backfire tremendously- they know that, they aren't dumb.
This is such a separatist ideology in itself. Why would you want to show everything the government does in a negative light? Fine, worst case scenario- maybe the delegation won't yield any result, but why doubt the intention at every step? In a purely logical and political sense, it only makes sense


Ahmed Azab , Interested in history, Political science and Sep, 05 2016


Imagine your neighbor did a mischief. Police enters your house beats you parents, rape your mothers and sisters, leaves you traumatized for life, because it just thought that you might also be a part of a mischief.

During all these 10 years police has been blaming you for any ruckus in your area. What would you do in such a case? After 10 years police come to your place and say lets sit and talk.

Also if you don't talk to me I again blame you for not being cooperative in solving the problem.

You know the analogies here.

Imagine your neighbor did a mischief. Police enters your house beats you parents, rape your mothers and sisters, leaves you traumatized for life, because it just thought that you might also be a part of a mischief.During all these 10 years police has been blaming you for any ruckus in your area. Wha


Vikram Gupta , Exploring, learning, believing Sep, 05 2016


Things are not so black and white, and not only that, this is an illogical analogy. It's not just Pakistan who's caused tension in the Valley, many of the Kashmiris have been troublemakers too, not just now, but throughout the 10 years that you're talking about. Burhan Wani was a Kashmiri, not a 'neighbour'.
Things are not so black and white, and not only that, this is an illogical analogy. It's not just Pakistan who's caused tension in the Valley, many of the Kashmiris have been troublemakers too, not just now, but throughout the 10 years that you're talking about. Burhan Wani was a Kashmiri, not a 'ne


Ahmed Azab , Interested in history, Political science and Sep, 05 2016


I am not saying its just Pakistan who's caused tension, but Kashmiris too and I have cited a reason for that.

Burhan Wani was a kashmiri yet he picked up guns against the state, this is the real problems. He was not a Pakistani who picked up guns.

Hence this problem needs to be addressed.



Kabir Narang , BITSian '07 Sep, 05 2016


How is that separatist? As conscientious citizens we have an obligation to be analytical, and if need be, critical, of our government's decisions and hidden intentions. Blind following serves nobody, only the scheming politicians.


Rohit pande , Have a view on many things but happy to thras Sep, 04 2016


No one is trying to solve Kashmir

maybe there is no solution or maybe there can be but it is in nobody's interest or no one would gain enough from it.

What people are trying at the govt level is to get people back into their homes, maybe hearts still burning with anti-India sentiment but at least get a semblance of order on the street to get back to business at usual.

all party is just one visible largely PR exercise, maybe it can be solved to that extent through back channel give and take, largely give at this stage

one would hope so at least

No one is trying to solve Kashmirmaybe there is no solution or maybe there can be but it is in nobody's interest or no one would gain enough from it.What people are trying at the govt level is to get people back into their homes, maybe hearts still burning with anti-India sentiment but at least get


Anuja pathi , Indian who is an NRI interested in Indian an Sep, 05 2016


I think there is intention atleast in this government. You need to remember Kashmir is a problem in our view but for rss Kashmir remaining in India is article of faith. Most of the BJP leaders are RSS first . They are not like congress who tried to use several methods for temporary solution. BJP will do everything to solve this problem . If only Kashmiris give them a chance . If they say we want to separate and we are prepared for 100 years jehad . Well India is ready and equipped for it . Usually when there is problem leader comes from there . Unfortunately Kashmiris never found that leader with whom Indian government can talk.
I think there is intention atleast in this government. You need to remember Kashmir is a problem in our view but for rss Kashmir remaining in India is article of faith. Most of the BJP leaders are RSS first . They are not like congress who tried to use several methods for temporary solution. BJP wil


Rohit pande , Have a view on many things but happy to thras Sep, 05 2016


Any leader who deals with India loses the battle for the soul of Kashmir. Its as if the soul of Kashmir and the Idea of India are an antithesis. You may be right about the Congress approach to broker peace through compromises including under-hand monetary dealings with potential mischief mongers. And the RSS having a pure solution in mind. But the RSS theory needs to be circumscribed by the reality of the ground situation - the constraints of Indian democracy compared to say China in Tibet, the high stake and high decibel Pakistani involvement, and the near total absence of alignment with the Indian narrative for the native population ( we may blame them for eating India's resources and yet hating it, but that shall not change the reality ). Perhaps thats where the confusion this time is springing from.
Any leader who deals with India loses the battle for the soul of Kashmir. Its as if the soul of Kashmir and the Idea of India are an antithesis. You may be right about the Congress approach to broker peace through compromises including under-hand monetary dealings with potential mischief mongers. An


Vikram Gupta , Exploring, learning, believing Sep, 05 2016


A little more faith wouldn't harm anyone. It makes no sense to do it as a PR exercise. If you claim that the government would've already known the futility of such a delegation, don't you think the act in itself makes it plain dumb, not scheming?


Ahmed Azab , Interested in history, Political science and Sep, 05 2016


Kashmir wants a political solution. This beating around the bush is of no use. You are waiting for situation to really get out of hand and make Kashmir a playground for all those who want to play, Pakistan, China and even ISIS. Approach to solution is far from the intensity of the issue.


Vikram Gupta , Exploring, learning, believing Sep, 05 2016


How can an All Party delegation be a sign for beating around the bush? If anything, that's the closest to a political solution that you're talking about. This is not like playing House in our childhood years, that you get impulsive and just go an absolute 'Yes' or 'No' to the separatist ideology. Such huge decisions need deliberation and proper thought. Agreed, the pace is much slower than we would like, but it's naive to dismiss the approaches as futile.
How can an All Party delegation be a sign for beating around the bush? If anything, that's the closest to a political solution that you're talking about. This is not like playing House in our childhood years, that you get impulsive and just go an absolute 'Yes' or 'No' to the separatist ideology. Su


Rahul Gupta , Techie by education, writer by profession, cu Sep, 05 2016


If it was just a PR exercise, modi would have refrained from making a statement. He has handled many issues just by letting them pass.

He is genuinely concerned about this one, because solving this issue, will be a glorious feather in his cap.

Rajnath wouldn't have placed himself there and be available for all.

Yechuri would have not banged the doors begging for a cup tea from the separatists.

This looks a genuine attempt at solving the issue

If it was just a PR exercise, modi would have refrained from making a statement. He has handled many issues just by letting them pass. He is genuinely concerned about this one, because solving this issue, will be a glorious feather in his cap.Rajnath wouldn't have placed himself there and be availab


S.N Raman , learning, hope to be more aware :) PhD schola Sep, 05 2016


People who are creating chaos are not even a party to the discussion. What conclusion can you come up to, it will end up being another brain storming session of rhetorics.

What yechuri did might look odd but is the right thing to do, force them to talk of they are not doing it voluntarily, because without taking to them, what are all party men discussing, same old rhetorics!

People who are creating chaos are not even a party to the discussion. What conclusion can you come up to, it will end up being another brain storming session of rhetorics.What yechuri did might look odd but is the right thing to do, force them to talk of they are not doing it voluntarily, because wi


Rohit pande , Have a view on many things but happy to thras Sep, 05 2016


Yes, genuine attempt at solving the current crisis of youths on the street, for sure. Hope that works and they keep posturing to rest of India different from back channel negotiation. But the larger issue of Kashmir, no one gains by attempting to solve it - and perhaps even fail in that attempt.


Ahmed Azab , Interested in history, Political science and Sep, 05 2016


"Genuine Attempt" http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/mass-graves-found-in-north-kashmir-containing-2900-unmarked-bodies/article59037.ece Now, 2,500 unidentified graves in Jammu : North, News - India Today Kunan Poshpora Incident -The Untold Story Of The Alleged Mass Rapes By Indian Army http://w


Rohit pande , Have a view on many things but happy to thras Sep, 05 2016


This is a cup-de-sac then. The army or the Home Ministry can never accept such a story. How does one bridge the trust deficit ? People who represent the bridging of the gap would slowly give up, the odds are stacked against all voices of reconciliation. The only hope is that all sides get tired of the violence.
This is a cup-de-sac then. The army or the Home Ministry can never accept such a story. How does one bridge the trust deficit ? People who represent the bridging of the gap would slowly give up, the odds are stacked against all voices of reconciliation. The only hope is that all sides get tired of t